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which way to go. Right now a toss up between a .416 Rigby, not sure on what platform yet..if I go that way, ...suggestions..CZ, Ruger..whatever.. or a .416 Weatherby. That would be on a Mark V. I do a fair amount of reloading so ammo tuned for all occassions is no problem. I know there are some interesting wildcats out there but unless the brass and everything else is readily available(do not fel like lathe turning off belts, etc. I do not want to ask my gunsmith to have to reinvent the wheel. suggestions/experience related situations appreciated. thanks | ||
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dont forget the dakota........ woofer | |||
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I'd suggest you stick to the .416 Rigby. Weatherby's have a Iffy reputation( some shoot some don't and it's essentially a pushfeed with minimal capacity in the mag box. The Cz550 and Ruger are good buys. I've used a Ruger .416 Rigby with complete satisfaction on three African safari's. Remember, you can load a .416 Rigby up to duplicate the .416 Weatherby if you want to. Also remember, that 410 gr, .416's at 2400fps have a tremendous and well earned reputation on all of Africa's dangerous game.-Rob | |||
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I think it would depend on which rifle you like the best. I had a 416 WBY and it worked flawlessly, and shot very well.. It did not have iron sights and it did have a muzzle break. I then had a custom 416 Rem on a Sako action. It shot good , had iron sights, that would not zero, and the rifle did not function reliably. This is why I shoot doubles now. A friend of mine has had 3 416 rifles. First a Rem 700 synthetic, then a Ruger 416 Rigby, and now a Blaser R93 416 Rem. He likes the Blaser the best. The 416 is an excellent caliber, just be sure you get it in the rifle you are going to like. If I did not have my doubles I would get a 416 bbl for my Blaser....might anyway. Ever think about a 450/400 or a 500/416 double? ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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LawCop I can offer you the chance to try out my CZ-550 in 416Rigby, so you can get the feel of that rifle/ammo combo. Remember that a the Rigby round can be "hot" loaded to match the Weatherby's specs. | |||
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Let me also add that 300gr Hawk bullets with the .025jkt at @ 2330fps from my 450/400 [a load easily duplicated in any 416] is very plesant to shoot and kills deer and pigs like the Hammer of Thor. These bullets expand about as big around as a quarter and knock big pigs right down on the spot. ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} These type loads allow you to use your 416 for other than just BIG big game. ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif){kind=icon} [ 11-08-2003, 21:34: Message edited by: N E 450 No2 ] | |||
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I think I'd go the other way: rifle first, chamber second. I'm a big Win fan, so for me it would be an easy choice for the 416 Rem M70. It's alot easier to change that to a 416 Dakota (my pick of the bunch) than to change a Ruger to a CZ. If I were stuck on the Rigby (too much room for my tastes) then it would be the CZ, but that's just because I'd be rebarreling it soon enough to 470 Mbogo, and make use of that gian case and reduced mag capacity. | |||
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I have a cz .416 Rigby and I like it. I reckon the cz's are good value. | |||
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I think it depends on budget and peronal preference. If you are a mauser fan with a reasonable budget, then take a cz550, toss out the stock for a new one, replace the safety with a model 70 style, put on some NECG sights and Talley QD rings and you will have a beautiful package. A similar result for less money can be found in the Ruger. A better choice still is the following rifle:   http://www.hallowellco.com/Echols%20Burgess%20416.htm That is an American best quality custom bolt gun in 416 Remington. By paying four times as much at Holland and Holland you will not get a better rifle. And no, I am not the person selling it. quote: | |||
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500Grains, Truly a beautiful rifle. Superb workmanship, by known masters. On a Remington action no less. And it would make a great "poodle" rifle, or "safe" rifle to impress ones friends. But as a "real" DGR, it is lacking in some vital areas. Why a forend mounted sling swivel stud on a 416? And total lack of iron backup sights, on something one would use as a DGR? Might have a front sight, pic's don't show it, and a removeable peep. Text does not say. I sure it was commissioned to be built that way. And the original owner is selling it for some reason. Can one speculate that is because, as fine a rifle as it really is, it use as a DGR, indeed it's intended purpose, it is lacking in features that the Brits figured out long ago. Sure you could have Gene, D'Arcy and Tom, plug up the hole in the forearm, and put on a proper barrel band front sight, and sling swivel stud. You could also buy the Mona Lisa, and have some Italian painter, put a prettier face and bigger hooters on her. But I don't think it would be the same. A beautiful disappointment, IMHO. Thanks for posting it anyway. Bob | |||
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THANKS FOR the responses so far as well as the emails I have received, BUT for those folks who say "the "416 Rigby can be loaded up to .416Wby numbers"...can't the Wby be downloaded a little to bring it down to Rigby numbers and reduce the high pressure concerns some have? I Don't know because I have never tried downloading my .340wby to get it to a .338win or a .338-06 to see what the effect is. The plus of going with the CZ in .416 is by the time I got done finding a Weatherby or similar, I can have the CZ rifle, ammo, components, rings and other extras for the price of just the Weatherby/whatever rifle. As far as the "extra" gunwork to make a CZ more usable, unless I swap out the stock, the extra cross bolts(if needed) and bedding work won't cost anything because my gunsmith doesn't charge me for anything but major parts, like stocks...and he IS one of the best in the state (long story going back over 30 years). I am leaning towards the Rigby right now..thanks for all the good advice and keep the suggestions and replies coming. | |||
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LAWCOP, A good gunsmith is good to know. Where in Michigan is he? | ||
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quote:Certainly a serious dangerous game hunter can add whatever iron sights he wants to the rifle, since it had none. As for the forearm mounted sling stud, that is not a problem in the lighter recoiling calibers like 416. I do not even find it an issue with a 458 lott, although it could be an issue in a featherweight lott. | |||
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quote:Bruce McArthur Flint & Frizzen Gun Shop 8735 Dixie Hwy Clarkston, Mi. 248 6253333 One of the old fashioned kind, no web site, single man shop, most of his retail sales are for black powder in that part of the world. Hardly stocks anything else. BUT he is an honest to God gunsmith, NOT a parts replacer. Looks like he should be in the 17th century with his long beard and pony tail. Years ago when Greenfield Village had it's firearms collection restoration work done, HE did all the correct period work. Can work on everything from your great great great grandads REAL Kentucky rifle to your MAG 58 machine gun or your Ma Deuce .50 cal (he does C3 work as well) He builds a muzzle brake to kill for. People who try them never put anything else on their guns no matter how long they have to wait for them. | |||
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Thanks, About three hours from here but would be worth the trip. Been a number of years since I was at Greenfield Village. Two reasons to get to the east side. | ||
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quote:HE is really easy to find. Get off at exit 93 on I-75 for Dixie Hwy and go North. His shop is only 1/2 mile North of the xway on the West side of the road next to the Dixie Baptist Church. Looks like an old western store front with crap all over the place. There will be a "Duck"(amphibious vehicle) and a "Buffalo"(tracked amphibious vehicle) in the front yard on either side of the parking lot. | |||
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quote:Not the right comparison. The Rigby and Weatherby are basically the same case, with the Rigby factory loads being charged for lower pressure. That's why you can get near the Weatherby. You just have to run it like Weatherby does. I hear it won't go quite as fast, maybe because of the freebore, but I bet you trade that off in accuracy. (Of course, each rifle is an entity unto itself, etc., etc., before all the 416 Wb owners come running to tell how well their's shoot!) So, I say get that CZ, and have it bedded as-is, then shoot the hell out of it till either you figure out what all you want done to it, the stock breaks or you decide you want to rebarrel it. | |||
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550grains is right on the money. That pictured is top quality ordnance and what a DGR express rifle should look like and be. Right on target as to it and the H&H or other Brit rifles. More money but not more rifle. For certain, that is a good looking and functioinal rifle. !!! | ||
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quote:85 POUNDS...we have chipmunks bigger then that here in Michigan Sure you had enough gun??? Course it was only about 5 months ago that I hit a red squirrel with my Marlin 45-70 shorty with a 350gr Hornady...but hey, it WAS a red squirrel and if you have ever seen one of THEIR charges....you would never want to have to live through one of them again. and I am starting to lean towards the Rigby... | |||
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Guys, let me tell you my opinion AGAIN there is ONE 416, and that's the rigby all the rest are wannabes no joke, no kidding, and no weatherby's need apply. rigby 410 2400 remington 400 2400 taylor 400 2350 (same barrel, ymmv) dakota 400 2550 (?) woundabest 400 2700 (and the bullet EXPLODES at close range) 500/416 400 2400 416 van horn 400 2450 and the list goes on and on... about the ONLY one that does just try to match the rigby is the 416 barnes 400 2200 in a lever gun, matching the 450/400 and, since money is ALWAYS a variable cz550... pick it up, bed it, and shoot till the barrel melts down. oh, if you can't tell, this is a vote for the cz and rigby... the ruger isn't really an option for me, as I would have to replace the stock anyway jeffe | |||
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