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My apologies you are perfectly correct. I wondered why I could not find the FXII 2.5x28 scope on the site, I was distracted by the 1.5-5x33 Scout scope under VX-R and then the three EER pistol scopes. I was about to post that there is currently a FXII 2.5x28 scope for sale on our auction site and in the photos one can see that the box is marked IER. I note that the above scope is not much better than my current 2x20 EER as it has virtually the same FOV and not a lot of difference in magnification (only +0.6x). Maybe with the 28mm objective it has better light gathering ability. The VXII 1.5-5x33 Scout is likely to be a better step up? | |||
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No problem sir. I bought the 2.5x28 because it fit my rifle better and has a broad focus range. I can be far away or close up and it will be in focus, making for quick and easy target acquisition. I chose it over the variable models because it is a bit lighter and is less likely to shift in move in my rings and I thought it would stand up to the recoil of my 500 A2. I'm pretty sure that a Leupold variable would hold up well too but I really don't need much magnification on this rifle. Leupold is known for their excellent service and would have surely fixed or replaced my variable if it was damaged by recoil but I really felt that I'd be better off with my 2.5x28 scout. BTW, my 2x20 eer handgun scope has probably endured 1,000 .454 and about 200 .500 S&W rounds, half of them full power. Now the scope has a permanent home atop my .454 and it is far from being ready for retirement! | |||
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RIP, I replied to eagle before reading your post. I kind of reiterated what you said. I really like that you can focus over a broad range of eye relief distances. The majority of my scoped rifles wear a Leupold. IMO, They make a damn good scope! | |||
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I just installed the Leupold VXR 1.5-5x33 scout scope and am not happy. At lower magnification the field of view is fine, but above approx. 3.5 power the field of view shrinks and at 5 power it is basically useless, at least on a bolt action. This is if mounted at a true Scout scope location. It would need to be mounted way rearward of a optimum scout location to work. It's neither fish nor foul. | |||
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It's also worth noting that the variable IER scopes, the 3-12x Burris, for example, tend to be quite heavy and may significantly alter the balance of your rifle. The fixed power scopes are noticeably more svelte. I opted for superior short range performance with the 1x scope which I shoot with both eyes open. At the most recent DSC big bore shoot, I struggled with the 70 yard buffalo brain shot, but was one of only a few bolt rifle shooters to get two hits on the moving short range target, even though most other shooters were shooting .375 H&H and similar. The trade-off was worth it for me. analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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Srs shooter. Sarfari Kid sold that small ultra lightweight 500 Jeffery to me. When he shot it he slipped a rubber pad over the stock. I do the same thing. It weighs 7 lbs scoped with a 16 1/2" barrel. It's doable if you know how to shoot it. Used to be bigdoggy700 with 929 posts . Originally registered as bigdoggy 700 in July 2006. | |||
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Those variable-power IER/Scout Scopes also have such a long ocular bell plus power-change ring that they may not clear the bolt action ejection/loading port using the mounts that worked with the fixed power IER scopes. Also they cannot be mis-used by me on the Ruger No. 1, even with 14.5" LOP, unless I can find some offset rings to extend forward ... except extension rings will no doubt be higher rings ... nuts to that!  | |||
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By that, do you mean shooting it after a double dose of morphine?  | |||
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I'm thinking that scope would work pretty well on the 425 Westley Richards Improved* I have in process... Rich * using a magnum bolt face to eliminate the chronic feeding issues they had with a 404 Jefferys case shortened to 2.64" case and rebated standard rim. | |||
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This is very accurate. analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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Wow!, some really nice guns on this thread, I would love to own some of them! Also I couldn't wait to get the scopes off them, but that's just me personally..Glad you like them, especially if they improve your shooting, and they work for you, that's all that really counts. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Mr. Atkinson, as usual, your words are wise!! I'm glad to know that a man of your experience has come to the realization that what works for you may not be best for someone else and vice versa. I'm a bit surprised that quite a few people like my scout scope and ghost ring setup and some even use a similar sight system. For myself, I like my irons at ranges under 50 yards......and LOVE them at ranges under 25 yards! I guess I'd prefer to leave my scout scope on unless I was tracking wounded game or if the cover was so thick that my only shot/shots would come at spitting distance. Like most people my shooting gets much better with a scope at longer ranges. I really need to get out and practice longer shots with my irons and narrow that gap a bit. | |||
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That sounds like a very cool project!!!  I remember reading a very good article about the original .425 WR cartridge and its effectiveness on elephants. I forget the author's name but I believe it was in the 1988 or 1989 Handloader's Digest. It's the only article I've read that covered the .425 and I believe the .318 WR was covered as well. | |||
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Of course John Taylor wrote glowingly of the effectiveness of the 425 WR on elephant, with its .435" 410gr bullet calling it one of the best but unfortunately WR handicapped their rifles with 28" barrels which in his opinion made then unwieldy for African hunting. | |||
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Eagle, I have to agree on the barrel length. 28" is long! I might like it on a heavy barreled .338/.378 for long range elk hunting but not on a DGR. I prefer a 22" on most big bore bolt rifles. To me it's handy, looks good, doesn't lose much velocity and is still long enough to keep the muzzle blast from burning my eyebrows! That said, I'd damn sure take a 28" WR in .425 (or any other caliber) if they were giving them away! I'm such a nice guy, I wouldn't even complain about the long barrel.  | |||
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Another of Wayne's works of art  | |||
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That's a handsome rascal, no doubt about it! Congrats! | |||
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C'mon, let's get serious ... Most of the bench-rest only shooters on this board wouldn't be able to hit a paper target with a scout scope, much less a moving critter in the field. | |||
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must have scared this guy to death while trotting so blissfully through the forest  | |||
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Touche'.  | |||
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I know RIP---always an ongoing challenge to endure mindless duficity from the over-spoken under-achieved..... | |||
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Hahaha! Great boar, great rifle and great scope too!!! What's the mag capacity on AHR's .600 OK's? | |||
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Thanks---mine is 2 down 1 in the chamber. | |||
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My Winchester Model 71, with home-made scope mount in Scout configuration is real handy.   Bob Nisbet DRSS & 348 Lever Winchester Lover Temporarily Displaced Texan If there's no food on your plate when dinner is done, you didn't get enough to eat. | |||
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 I do not hunt in order to kill, but kill in order that I have hunted. 'If ur'e gonna do it, do it right!' | |||
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With the sun at just the right angle behind you, the reflection will make a scout scope unusable. Not sure if that is a good thing on a DGR. | |||
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I've got one in stainless in my gunroom if anyone wants to give it a try. | |||
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SRSshooter, On a big bore rifle, I have seldom had any need for a scope in Africa, and that's about the only place I use a big bore or what I consider a big bore. Sometime I have a scope with me to slipe on if I see a big Kudu on yonder, but I hunt with irons, always have..Most do just the opposite... For elk and deer in the Pacific North West I shoot a scope mostly, but have irons for back up or if I get into the really thick swampy bottome of Idahos elk country, then off comes the scope.. So far its worked out well for me, so see no reason to fix what ain't broke...Your right, I have seen scope fail so many times I couldn't even count them, some are weather problems, some from a fall, but mostly by improperly mounted scopes and other human error, but never the less it happened...I have only seen iron sights fail when someone bent the bead on a rock for whatever reason...I have never had a iron sight fail, nor have I had a wood stock warp!! guess I'm lucky there. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray at your 'young' age you are very fortunate that your eyesight has held up and you can use open sights on your rifles. Unfortunately for some of us that is impossible now. While I do have a scout scope on my 404 and prior to that I had a single point sight using the same rings and base, it is not through preference as such that I always use a scope now for all hunting and shooting, it is through necessity. My eyesight is such that I can focus perfectly on the iron sights and read and work close up without glasses but I just do not have good long range vision any longer without using glasses which then I can't focus on close things. If I were stalking in close on dangerous game I would take my scout scope off and my eyes would give me all the focus needed to use the open sights and see the animal clearly enough but for longer range targets, no way. When I was younger and had good unaided eyesight I used iron sights regularly especially for bush shooting or when in wet stormy weather. Irrespective of whether it is a scout scope or not many of us have to use a scope of some sort out of necessity not choice. As to why I have chosen a scout scope for my 404, firstly as mentioned earlier my preference back in the late 70's was to have a single point sight, the first that ever came out (as used in the Vietnam war). Hence a forward mounted Weaver base fitted, leaving the bolt handle untouched and not inhibiting the use of the rather low safari sights on the Oberndorf sporter. The little Leupold just replaced the single point and now serves the purpose of always providing me with a good sight picture for my degraded eyesight. | |||
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Here's one that just came back into the shop for a consignment sale. A nice little "Truck Gun" in 600 Overkill. That's an 18" barrel.  [/URL][/IMG] | |||
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Nice Wayne----I thought my 20" was a flame thrower. It needs a silencer | |||
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love the look of that little fire-plug... DRSS Member | |||
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Has anyone tried any of the "Reflex" sights on a big bore? Leupold has one now, Trijicon, Burris, JP Rifles still has the original, wide variety of prices. I have used the Optima (now from JP Rifles) mounted on my 1911 slide doing Bullseye shooting and it has lived through a lot of recoil, though probably not the same amplitude of a big bore rifle. | |||
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Yes, we've been doing that for years using a QD mount. We've put them on all of the big bores up to the 600 OK. They work well and hold up fine. I really like the new Leupold Delta Point Pro in 2.5 MOA dot. | |||
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I have two Ruger #1 tropical's set up exactly like that, one a .375 H&H the other a .458 Win Mag. I quickly learned with the .375 that it recoiled so fast I was dodging a standard scope, so researched and found out about the Leupold scout scope. I tried one on a little #1a light rifle in 7x57, but went back to a small variable on it. On my two big rifles the only thing I do not like about the scout scope is that the reticule wires are a bit too thin. I think thicker would be better, or possibly a post/crosshair, or a German #1. JJK | |||
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