Will it be the same just renamed or have they managed to cheapen it ??

PC,
Is the old reliable M70 Classic Stainless in .375 H&H discontinued? I must not be keeping up with the news.

This is the newest incarnation.

M70 Stainless


And this one


Even one in controlled push feed

So now you gotta choose between a cheesy fluted barrel or a push feed action.

Nooooooooo . . . . . . . . !!!!!!!!!!

Ha ha

I like the fact that these cost less that the classic stainless. But if I got one I was thinking of getting it and leaving it unscoped.

These two new rifles do not mention open sights.

There is a classic ss 375 at my local wal-mart. For $790 . That is just too much. I have seen two others a few months back for $550.

That fluted barrel looks neat though. Don't need a 375 anyway. But who said anything about need. I just think a mod 70 ss 375 with open sights would go good with my mod 70 300 ultra stainless.

Just read the description on the CRF Shadow elite 375 h-h .

It will have sights and a heavy profile non-fluted barrel.

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Originally posted by RMiller:
Just read the description on the CRF Shadow elite 375 h-h .

It will have sights and a heavy profile non-fluted barrel.

another words a re-named classic ss ?

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Originally posted by RIP:
PC,
Is the old reliable M70 Classic Stainless in .375 H&H discontinued? I must not be keeping up with the news.

does not look like it rip, just re named I think.

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Originally posted by PC:

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Originally posted by RMiller:
Just read the description on the CRF Shadow elite 375 h-h .

It will have sights and a heavy profile non-fluted barrel.

another words a re-named classic ss ?

Looks like it to me. Put the Shadow stock on it and called it a new model.(?)

BOB


Model 70, Shadow Elite, Stainless
Feeling as good as it looks, the lightweight stock with rubberized, overmolded gripping surfaces and Dura-Touch Armor Coating on the Shadow Elite Stainless comes to your shoulder naturally. The fluted barrel, action, floorplate and other internal components are stainless steel to withstand any weather, and the Controlled Round Feed action positively picks up every cartridge from the magazine and feeds it straight into the chamber. Available in popular long action calibers and all WSM chamberings. The highly-specialized 375 H&H Magnum features fold-down express sights and a heavy profile non-fluted barrel.

I have a better name for that stock, FUGLY . But, I must say I feel the same way about all of the cammoed firearms being sold today.

Hog Killer

What the Sam Hill is a "Controlled Round Push Feed"? (Re: DavidReeds post, bottom attachment.)Best of both or worst of both?
I am familar with controll feed and push feed but am unfamilar with the CRPF.
If the round isn't picked up and "controlled" by the extractor on the way out of the mag how does it "control" it? I am getting confused!
HL

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Originally posted by 4570Forever:
What the Sam Hill is a "Controlled Round Push Feed"? (Re: DavidReeds post, bottom attachment.)Best of both or worst of both?
I am familar with controll feed and push feed but am unfamilar with the CRPF.
If the round isn't picked up and "controlled" by the extractor on the way out of the mag how does it "control" it? I am getting confused!
HL

It's bull shit....................................IMHO if there is no big masuer claw it's not a crf

I wonder if the stocks they offer are actually an improvement over the milk jug that was on the orginal model ??

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Originally posted by PC:
It's bull shit....................................IMHO if there is no big masuer claw it's not a crf

On the nose PC!

It's USRAC's beancounter solution for feeding problems with the WSM's necessitated by the WSM's case geometry and stupid rebated rim, rather than design an action specific to the WSM's and the like.

Controlled Push feed

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Originally posted by 4570Forever:
What the Sam Hill is a "Controlled Round Push Feed"? (Re: DavidReeds post, bottom attachment.)Best of both or worst of both?
I am familar with controll feed and push feed but am unfamilar with the CRPF.
If the round isn't picked up and "controlled" by the extractor on the way out of the mag how does it "control" it? I am getting confused!
HL

It controls the cartridge the same way the classic does. The rim rides up under the extractor when fed from the magazine. The push feed part means that a round can be dropped into the chamber and the bolt can still be closed . The extractor will move enough to allow chambering.

The big mauser claw is not designed for feeding directly into the chamber. A lot of them will chamber that way but that is not what they are designed to do. That big claw is simply an extractor for pulling the case out of the chamber. The slot at the bottom that the rim of the case goes into is the CRF part. Also controlled round feed means that there are Two points of contact on the case at all times to never allow the case to just be loose during chambering from the magazine.

The follower and magazine have control of the case until the case is pushed far enough forward that the case come out of the magazine and under the extractor. IMHO it does not take a big mauser claw to do this, CRF process. But the big claw may be conforting to those who have concern about case extraction though. IMO a valid concern.

I read something on mausers somewhere that is where I learned what CRF really is (probably here). And I did have a crpf rifle. The crpf fed the same as my classic mod 70's.

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Originally posted by PC:

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Originally posted by RMiller:
Just read the description on the CRF Shadow elite 375 h-h .

It will have sights and a heavy profile non-fluted barrel.

another words a re-named classic ss ?

It will have the new overmolded stock and the MSRP is a few bucks less for all the "new" 375's.

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Originally posted by PC:
Will it be the same just renamed or have they managed to cheapen it ??

Yes, less money and a better stock.
OR, you can have the .375 H&H in a couple of NEW formats.
It's good!

Now the hard part. I have a chance to buy a Rem. Mod 700 XCR in 375 RUM for about the same price as the new Win 70 Shadow Elite in 375 H&H. They are basicly the same type of gun ie. SS/composite. I am torn - Currently I haven't found any Win available but the Rem is and I can load down to H&H or up to RUM. I don't anticipate any DG hunting, its just an "I want" thing and I hunt regularly w/ a pre '64 M70 in -06 so have experience with it. Oh what to do, what to do!! Decisions, decisions!!
Any suggestions, opinions etc will be appreciated. Thanks HL

4570forever, you should know this: buy the Win 70 375 H&H if you ever find yourself in a remote outpost like bumfuck egypt you'll likely be able to buy ammo. Not so with the RUM.

4570, they may look like the same but are quite a bit different. i have owned both remington and winchesters in 375 and have got rid of the remingtons in place for more winnys. the only thing remington has is a lighter rifle.imo

get the winnie.

Got the Winnie. Got lucky and got a Win. Mod 70 Cassic Stainless in 375 H&H NIB for a decent price. I am not too sure about the rubber inserts in the new Elite staying there over the years especially with heavy use, and it is kind of "fugly" but I guess Win has to keep up with Rem (XCR) and vice versa.
Thanks for the inputs.
4570Forever