Looking for a muzzle brake for my .585 Hubel express. Does anyone have a suggestion that will reduce recoil the most?

I would strongly suggest you examine all other recoil reduction options compared to the installation of a muzzle brake. Perhaps a mercury recoil reducer in the buttstock or a better recoil absorbing recoil pad?

The problem is NOISE! brakes are all loud and increase the very good possibility of hearing damage. This extends beyond just the shooter (you) to include your PH, trackers and even others at the range. Plus it will likely diminish the resale value of your rifle. And, they are ugly!

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
I would strongly suggest you examine all other recoil reduction options compared to the installation of a muzzle brake. Perhaps a mercury recoil reducer in the buttstock or a better recoil absorbing recoil pad?.....Plus it will likely diminish the resale value of your rifle. And, they are ugly!

I would think the resale value would diminish without one!

rrob692326;

Over the years of playing with brakes I have found one that in my opinion that works best is the Vias brake. The web site is www.muzzlebrakes
.com I have patterened the ones I make for myself after these. Noise is always a problem so protection is a must. This brake seems to break up the directions of the gas and keep the level of noise the same as no brake at all. It also keeps the gas from blowing up a dust storm or blasting the people next to you. Brakes are a personal thing I think when it comes to looks. The Browning tuning brake is a nightmare when it comes to being load and I think this is where they aquired their negative reputation. Check out the Vias, I think you will be sold on it's ability.

Samm of the USA

Best Muzzle Brake = NO Muzzle Brake.

1150 grain bullet @ 2300fps = 258 and change ft lbs, of recoil energy at 15.52lb,sec recoil impulse, and 33.29 fps. recoil velocity in 15 lb rifle. So I ask again, about best muzzle brake for recoil reduction this one is not your every day off the bench shooter.

The one we make for our 585 AHR, 577 T-Rex,600 Overkill, and 700 AHR is the one you need.

Terminator Brake - No question. I think they are available in the USA.

http://terminatorproducts.co.nz/

I have a T2 and a T3 but yes they are loud

The muzzle brake is the best way to reduce recoil...Loud? yest but big bores are loud to start with, wear ear plugs or some kind of ear protection at the bench and practice sessions..Use those ear plugs on a string that goes around the neck while hunting, take several pair ($1.25 each) for observers and guides etc...

They work, but the big 50s still kick like a mule, that's just the real world. Lead in the butt stock ruins the balance of a rifle unless you put lead in the forend, but in reality all your doing there is adding weight to the rifle to get very little in return, same with soft reoil pads that as a friend of mine says gives the gun a one inch run at your shoulder..Hold a big bore tight into the shoulder with both hands, btw pushing forward on the forend is crock of stuff...Ive shot all the big ones, and my solution to the whole deal was dropping down to the 416 or 375, that's the best option and Ive never seen the need for more power anyway.

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Originally posted by rrob692326:
Looking for a muzzle brake for my .585 Hubel express. Does anyone have a suggestion that will reduce recoil the most?

Forget a muzzle brake - go with a suppressor. I did and it knocks recoil and noise down substantially.

I have used a lot of different brakes over time. I started with radial brakes (eg the Vais) because that is what my gunsmith recommended and I didnt know any better then.

Research lead me to "slab"style brakes, and I have found that style of brake to be much more effective in reducing recoil.

Out of all the different brakes I have tried, the Terminator brake have been the best I have found for outright recoil reduction.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
The muzzle brake is the best way to reduce recoil...Loud? yest but big bores are loud to start with, wear ear plugs or some kind of ear protection at the bench and practice sessions..Use those ear plugs on a string that goes around the neck while hunting, take several pair ($1.25 each) for observers and guides etc...

They work, but the big 50s still kick like a mule, that's just the real world. Lead in the butt stock ruins the balance of a rifle unless you put lead in the forend, but in reality all your doing there is adding weight to the rifle to get very little in return, same with soft reoil pads that as a friend of mine says gives the gun a one inch run at your shoulder..Hold a big bore tight into the shoulder with both hands, btw pushing forward on the forend is crock of stuff...Ive shot all the big ones, and my solution to the whole deal was dropping down to the 416 or 375, that's the best option and Ive never seen the need for more power anyway.

I totally agree: so shooting a rifle without a brake is okay for your ears but with one is not? Give me a brake (pun intended).

I find I now wear earplugs even when I bird hunt. I can still hear quail (perhaps not as well as without them) but I want to preserve what little hearing I have left.

As for ugly, I gotta agree they are butt ugly on a big bore. I finally put one on my .416 but it wears the muzzle cap when displayed in my TR bookshelf gun rack.

As for brands, I have used Vais and Holland. Both are effective. I have shot the Vais without plugs while hunting and agree it is no louder than a rifle sans brake. It does kick up more dust than the Holland. Not sure what brand my .416 wears.

Finally, if one shoots a lot as I do, you have to consider the risks of retinal detachment. Prolonged shooting of heavy recoiling guns presents a real danger; Bob Brister and John Wooters both suffered retinal detachments.

I went with Muscle Brake for my 300 Rum. Turned it into a pussy cat. I think Pierson precision now holds the patent.

Just my 2 cents.

rch

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
The muzzle brake is the best way to reduce recoil...Loud? yest but big bores are loud to start with, wear ear plugs or some kind of ear protection at the bench and practice sessions..Use those ear plugs on a string that goes around the neck while hunting, take several pair ($1.25 each) for observers and guides etc...

They work, but the big 50s still kick like a mule, that's just the real world. Lead in the butt stock ruins the balance of a rifle unless you put lead in the forend, but in reality all your doing there is adding weight to the rifle to get very little in return, same with soft reoil pads that as a friend of mine says gives the gun a one inch run at your shoulder..Hold a big bore tight into the shoulder with both hands, btw pushing forward on the forend is crock of stuff...Ive shot all the big ones, and my solution to the whole deal was dropping down to the 416 or 375, that's the best option and Ive never seen the need for more power anyway.

I totally agree: so shooting a rifle without a brake is okay for your ears but with one is not? Give me a brake (pun intended).

I find I now wear earplugs even when I bird hunt. I can still hear quail (perhaps not as well as without them) but I want to preserve what little hearing I have left.

As for ugly, I gotta agree they are butt ugly on a big bore. I finally put one on my .416 but it wears the muzzle cap when displayed in my TR bookshelf gun rack.

As for brands, I have used Vais and Holland. Both are effective. I have shot the Vais without plugs while hunting and agree it is no louder than a rifle sans brake. It does kick up more dust than the Holland. Not sure what brand my .416 wears.

Finally, if one shoots a lot as I do, you have to consider the risks of retinal detachment. Prolonged shooting of heavy recoiling guns presents a real danger; Bob Brister and John Wooters both suffered retinal detachments.

Pretty well sums it up.

Crazy idea, but have you talked to Ed Hubel about his recommendation?

Have spoken to Ed, He is not a fan of brakes but understands my problem . No suppressors allowed here under any circumstances. I have shot rifles that generate 100 lbs. of recoil, but 250ft lbs. is real hard to take and 300 ft. lbs. is just plain crazy. Would not even try it. Still, would like something like the T5 Brake if it could be made to work, as they are normally only for the much smaller 50 BMG. Have not heard back from most, as the probably think it's a gag Thank you for all the help

I call total and complete Bull shit! There is no recoil device known to man more effective per unit weight than a properly designed muzzle brake! Go look at any modern Cannon! Do you see a muzzle break present! Duh! You can easily achieve a 50 percent or more decrease in recoil with one. So here is some simple math. A full tilt 585 can generate nearly 200ft-lbs of recoil without a muzzle break. That's more recoil than 99% of you can handle without serious injury! With a good break that's reduced to 100 ft- lbs that nearly all of you can handle at least once! Are you following this simple logic?
I love suppressors but on a 585? Give me a break! Who's gonna design and build it for the price of a stupidly simple muzzle break? It's not trivial and I know what I'm talking about cause I make suppressors ( 07/ SOT). I also have found a Vias style break works best. I even worked with them on the .600 ok muzzle breaks years ago. I was featured in their advertisements! A serious recoiling rifle requires a good muzzle break period. Produces too much noise for you? Take up knitting don't shoot real big bores! End of discussion! You can listen to the wanna be's or those who have been there and done that. Your choice!

I couldn't imagine 200-300lbs of recoil. Are these comparable to or above the flying rifle?

200ft-lbs of free recoil is pretty STOUT. Not overwhelming but your inner spidey sense just tells you know it just got real serious! Yes, some could lose all control of the gun. However, with proper stock design, the correct total rifle weight and a good muzzle break, I've had 90lb women fire a .600ok and repeat it. It's not bad at all. Take that break off and your asking for it. I don't and I won't! I've never metered it but I don't think the muzzle break increases the sound level much if at all. Of course, I could care less about that anyway. The only argument against muzzle breaks that ever made sense was the change in esthetics. Personally, I like the look!

Vias, no increase in loudness.

I recall that the Muscle Brake is well regarded amongst the long range hunters who do shoot some pretty bad recoilers...