How are they both faring in the market? I would suspect the 375 ruger to do well but never to replace the queen 375 H&H.

There are several different brands of rifles and ammunition on the market now for the 375. When I ask about ammunition in Namibia for the 375 our PH said it was very available.

LO
who makes ammunition other then hornady for the 375/416 Ruger
i know Nosler make 375 brass

i only wish lapua would make some 375/416 brass, but i dont think that will be happening any time soon

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Originally posted by 376 steyr:
How are they both faring in the market? I would suspect the 375 ruger to do well but never to replace the queen 375 H&H.

I think a few folks said the same thing about the 300 Win mag and the 300 H&H.

The 375R is very popular up in this part of the country. It is definately here to stay.

I have been much impressed with the Ruger 375 alaskan and african. At $699 a rifle on discontinued models from CCDN they are the best value and bang for the buck in big bore out there.

I always thought the 375R was a marketing gimmick dreamed up by someone at ruger and hornady. I now think it is a great addition to the 375 lineup. Try lugging a cz 375H&H versus a 375R in Alaska or Africa.

Also the 375R makes a great deer rifle - can't say same about a full size 375H&H.

I think you will see a lot of 375R end up in Africa. At sub 1000 for a very accurate compact and easy to carry rifle it is the perfect backup rifle for most South African/plains game PHs.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
I have been much impressed with the Ruger 375 alaskan and african. At $699 a rifle on discontinued models from CCDN they are the best value and bang for the buck in big bore out there.

I always thought the 375R was a marketing gimmick dreamed up by someone at ruger and hornady. I now think it is a great addition to the 375 lineup. Try lugging a cz 375H&H versus a 375R in Alaska or Africa.

Also the 375R makes a great deer rifle - can't say same about a full size 375H&H.

I think you will see a lot of 375R end up in Africa. At sub 1000 for a very accurate compact and easy to carry rifle it is the perfect backup rifle for most South African/plains game PHs.

Mike

I agree the CZs are a little too "stocky" and heavy for a 375 H&H. They do shine in the larger calibers (416 and 450 Rigby, 500 Jeffery, 505 Gibbs) though.

I have no idea as to the actual sales, though I have more than one of each. I definitely like the smaller action / rifle size of the Ruger 375 and 416, compared to the 375 H&H and 416 Remington. The performance of the 375 H&H and the 375 Ruger are two different peas in the same pod. Rifles in the 375 Ruger have been my most used rifles for the past few years, and I do have several in the H&H chambering. I have a Ruger SS in the factory 20" and a re-barreled 23.5" one, both with McMillan stocks. I also have a couple of others, so I do like the Ruger cartridge, and obviously the 375 caliber.

I have acquired a couple of the 20" Hogue stocked 416 Rugers in the past several weeks and these have renewed my interest in the 416 caliber. The shorter barrel and slightly smaller powder capacity will no doubt yield a bit less in feet per second compared to my M70 416 Rem with a 24" barrel. But, I will take that trade for handling characteristics. I do not feel I am being shorted in performance for intended purpose. In my opinion the 20" barrel is pretty handy in the alders/willows/devil's club/ferns/ and tall ass grass (Alaska, so not long grass), and as well as, transport in/out/on amphibious vehicles/atv's/etc.

Availability of both cartridges in stainless rifles is also a plus for me. Montana Rifle Company offers both chamberings, if Rugers are not one's cup of tea. I have not sold my H&H's and will certainly maintain at least a couple in the safe. I too have a nostalgic feeling for the H&H cartridge, and also for my 45/70 lever guns.


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Originally posted by 376 steyr:
How are they both faring in the market? I would suspect the 375 ruger to do well but never to replace the queen 375 H&H.

Not Live Oak, but
Double Tap Ammunition loads Barnes 235gr TSX, 250gr TTSX, 270gr TSX, and Nosler 260 Accubond.
I have used their 270 TSX and was pleased with groups and performance on the example of the one moose I shot with it out of a 20" barrel.
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Originally posted by M 98:
LO
who makes ammunition other then hornady for the 375/416 Ruger
i know Nosler make 375 brass

i only wish lapua would make some 375/416 brass, but i dont think that will be happening any time soon

I would choose the Hornady/Ruger version over the original just to support Hornady.Hornady has been with us all the way giving us what we want to shoot the big bores,hunt Africa and all.I would love to own the Ruger guide gun chambered for the 375R.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I would choose the Hornady/Ruger version over the original just to support Hornady.Hornady has been with us all the way giving us what we want to shoot the big bores,hunt Africa and all.I would love to own the Ruger guide gun chambered for the 375R.

You will be happy with it. Love mine.Have not shot anything but targets with it yet. Co-worker shot a cow elk a month ago with his and it is his dedicated elk rifle. 265yds. and a big cow elk down. Very nice handling rifle.

The 375Ruger was available in lefthand
it is compact and easy to carry in the Alaskan version
it meets minimum spec for dangerous game in Tanzania
the price is very competitive
. . .
My wife got one.

The 416Ruger wasn't available in lefthand for her,
she was interested in the least powerful DG
...
so she went 375Ruger over 416, despite the family tradition of 416Rigby.

both the 375 and 416 Ruger are great calibres.

Beretta,

you did use the word "discontinued" didn't you?

They got any of those in 375 H&H? Didn't think so...

The Ruger boutique cartridges will have a couple days in the sun, then like the flowers of summer they will wither and blow away.

Introducing new cartridges is the post-2008 way to entice new buyers to the gun shop floors; what with the serious malaise of the economy.

The 375 Ruger is selling big in South Africa.

Hmm, let's see . . .

South Africa
Alaska
Montana

It sounds like the 375Ruger is selling big where they have locals who hunt big animals.

Sounds like a keeper. Wife likes hers.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Beretta,

you did use the word "discontinued" didn't you?

They got any of those in 375 H&H? Didn't think so...

The Ruger boutique cartridges will have a couple days in the sun, then like the flowers of summer they will wither and blow away.

Introducing new cartridges is the post-2008 way to entice new buyers to the gun shop floors; what with the serious malaise of the economy.

375R is not discontinued. CDNN has some discontinued models - the left hand versions sell for $699. The cheapest control round feed left handed 375H&H to buy is cz for $1800-$1900 and that needs to be sent to AHR to function perfectly.

I have over 750 rounds of 375H&H stored. I wish I had the same for 375 R as I now own 3 375R to one 375 H&H. My 375 H&H is back with Wayne at AHR getting a nice wood stock. Till them all hunting will be with 375R.

Ruger the company is in the business of making money. I expect them to keep tinkering with the 375R rifle - I don't like the newer version with muzzle brake.

Given that the 375R is built on a standard action and ruger makes and will make a lot of m77 action rifles. I expect 375R to be around for a long time.

We need more 375R factory ammo but I have been able to buy plenty of Hornady around $55 a box.

All in all - pretty damn impressed with the rifle, the calibre and especially Ruger's pricing.

I dont like Ruger switching model around but at $700 a pop for the discontinued model I have a lifetimes supply of 375R rifles.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
375R is not discontinued. CDNN has some discontinued models - the left hand versions sell for $699. The cheapest control round feed left handed 375H&H to buy is cz for $1800-$1900 and that needs to be sent to AHR to function perfectly.

I have over 750 rounds of 375H&H stored. I wish I had the same for 375 R as I now own 3 375R to one 375 H&H. My 375 H&H is back with Wayne at AHR getting a nice wood stock. Till them all hunting will be with 375R.

Ruger the company is in the business of making money. I expect them to keep tinkering with the 375R rifle - I don't like the newer version with muzzle brake.

Given that the 375R is built on a standard action and ruger makes and will make a lot of m77 action rifles. I expect 375R to be around for a long time.

We need more 375R factory ammo but I have been able to buy plenty of Hornady around $55 a box.

All in all - pretty damn impressed with the rifle, the calibre and especially Ruger's pricing.

I dont like Ruger switching model around but at $700 a pop for the discontinued model I have a lifetimes supply of 375R rifles.

Mike

I just don't know if I might want a 416Ruger someday after lugging around CZ 416Rigbys.
Or perhaps I'll want a 375Ruger to match my wife. Hmm.

Well, not for the next couple of years, at least.

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:
Hmm, let's see . . .

South Africa
Alaska
Montana

It sounds like the 375Ruger is selling big where they have locals who hunt big animals.

Sounds like a keeper. Wife likes hers.

Add Norway to the list.
The 375 R is getting popular as a splendid moose rifle, and for Vikings going to Africa

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Beretta,

you did use the word "discontinued" didn't you?

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The models at CDNN (Smokin' prices by the way) were several limited models, 23" barrel, gray laminate stocks, left handers, etc. Selling off that type of stuff has NO bearing on the longevity of the cartridge. It is an exceptional round that will fit in a standard action = homerun!

I almost bought a new LH .375R. The price was very tempting. As it turned out, I was able to get a new LH CZ .375 H&H for only $150.00 more than the Ruger. (Just luck ... someone wanting to unload a LH rifle in a 'slow moving' caliber.) At least Ruger doesn't jack-up the prices of their LH rifles, like CZ does. I would say that about the only real advantage the .375 H&H has over the .375R is that there is a much wider selection of factory ammo for the H&H.

Last time I looked, bear, elk and buffalo had a heck of a time reading and understanding ballistic tables and charts. Both rifles go BOOM in a big way, and the critter on the receiving end usually has a bad day.

I thought this was interesting. http://www.savagearms.com/fire...6ALASKANBRUSHHUNTER/
Here is another option, though more expensive. http://www.eurooptic.com/krieg...-semprio-rifle.aspx#

I am still looking but I have not been able to get back to the other ammunition maker for the 375 Ruger. It was like a press release.

The 375 ruger will never erode the 375 h and h in south africa. One of the reasons is that our local ammunition company produces a superb factory loaded brass monolithic solid in 375 h and h---this ammo has an exceptional reputation here and has been used by kruger park rangers for decades. The local company also produces the swift A frame in factory load and a cheaper bullet for practise. And we are a traditional,nostalgic lot.

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And we are a traditional,nostalgic lot.

The farmers are also a practical lot and a standard action with equal or more thump than an H&H at a better price point will find a market share. the genie is out of the bottle.

PROGRADE also loads for the 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger:

375 Ruger = 235 TSX, 250 TTSX, 270 TSX, 300 Nosler Accubond

416 Ruger = 340 Woodleigh WeldCore, 350 TSX, 350 Barnes Banded Solid, 400 TSX, 400 Barnes Banded Solid.

Prograde and DoubleTap (Listed Below) both have websites.

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Originally posted by ldmay375:
Not Live Oak, but
Double Tap Ammunition loads Barnes 235gr TSX, 250gr TTSX, 270gr TSX, and Nosler 260 Accubond.
I have used their 270 TSX and was pleased with groups and performance on the example of the one moose I shot with it out of a 20" barrel.
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Originally posted by M 98:
LO
who makes ammunition other then hornady for the 375/416 Ruger
i know Nosler make 375 brass

i only wish lapua would make some 375/416 brass, but i dont think that will be happening any time soon

I expect that when (if?) more factory loads become available, and cheaper, (ie Remington/Federal/Winchester) that the .375 Ruger will soar. Its catching on in Africa, I hunted cape buffalo w/Barrie Duckworth in Zim and we both carried .375 Rugers. My wife shot it last summer in RSA and Guy Venter, former Zim PH, was impressed greatly w/it.

Walked into a small gunshop in KZN this morning. There were 3 Boxes Hornady DGX and 1 Hornady DGS of 375 Ruger and only 1 Box of PMP Solids in 375H&H on the Shelf. Luckily I don't use Factory ammo, but it seems that in an emergency, a client looking for ammo would have been better off with a Ruger than a H&H.

Oh, and I own a H&H, but it is what it is.

Thanks guys, I have been away for awhile so just now reading the replies. Yes, I new CZ was offering them in their custom shop selection and now others too plus other ammo makers besides Hornady. That is what makes a cartridge successful is a variety of manufacturers.

When you've gone on safari (or any hunt) and lugged around a 10 lb. 375H&H like my Ruger RSM (and apparently CZs-I don't own one in that caliber), one can really appreciate the 7.75 lb. Ruger African, to say nothing for the trim, slimness of the stock.

I think there are calibers that need a heavier rifle to tame recoil. The 375 is not one of them IMHO. It's a medium, and a relatively mild one at that, unlike a 378 Weatherby, etc.

I would not be surprised if the two Rugers make a big dent in H&H sales over the next few years. The Rugers are very well designed cartridges that do it all, and Ruger has come out with the "African" and its about the neatest big bore I've seen since the pre 64 Super grade. Whats not to like about it if your still a nostalgic and can live with such as wood and blue to whick I plead guilty.

It will be an interesting topic 10 years from now, but my bet is that the 375 R and 416 R popularity will gain a lot of ground on 375 H&H, 416 Rem and 416 Rigby.

If you are going to use a 375 calibre on elephant and buffalo, the answer is not more velocity than the H and H.

The 375 debuted when, about a hundred years ago...? The 416 Rigby about that long ago...?

It would surprise me if you can find ammunition for either of the Rugers in ten years.

Marketing, all of the new ones, to sell rifles.

Those of us who tend to favor having rifles built generally choose OM 70s' or 98 Mausers to work with.

I wait for Winchester and Remington to drop the H&H in favor of the new Ruger.

I may be out of this discussion, since I have not bought a new factory DG rifle since acquiring CZs' several years ago.

Idaho,
I've had four CZ 416Rigby's but I picked up a 375Ruger Hawkeye as a donor for a 500AccRel and then another 375Ruger Lefty for my wife as an all-around hunting rifle.

I must admit that I am impressed with the Rugers. That is a lot of rifle for a great price and easy to carry. If Winchester and Remington don't bother to chamber a 375Ruger, that will be their loss. Neither one chambers a 416Rigby, so again, their loss. Others like Howa and Montana, have started chambering the 375Ruger, and Nosler is doing brass, so the 375Ruger is growing, even during hard times.

I would think that in NorthAMerica, people moving up from a 338WM would incline toward a 416Ruger and people moving up from a 3006 would gravitate towards the 375Ruger. In another thread I saw that someone mentioned going from a 375Ruger to a 416Ruger. Interesting.

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:
Hmm, let's see . . .

South Africa
Alaska
Montana

It sounds like the 375Ruger is selling big where they have locals who hunt big animals.

Sounds like a keeper. Wife likes hers.

Yukon too ...

bison moose and grizzly ...

we love the 375 ruger over here too.

Phil

I have the Ruger 375 Guide Gun and love it. Chronographed the factory 270gr. ammo at 2770fps out of the 20" barrel. Hunted with it this year for deer and elk. Shot a mule deer doe on a damage control hunt. 150yds. off hand, up hill and quarter to me. High shoulder shot. Went straight down. 375 cal. entrance and a quarter size exit.

The 375 Ruger is doing well and will continue to do so. I'm not sure if there is some or other proprietary issue like was the case with some other calibres that is preventing other manufacturers from chambering for these cartridges. I guess as soon as you have ever put your name behind a calibre you are loathe to switch to something with your competitors brand on it unless you are pretty much forced to. I have never had Ruger bolt actions really talk to me and the Howa is a push feed but at the price they are selling really well here.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:

Introducing new cartridges is the post-2008 way to entice new buyers to the gun shop floors; what with the serious malaise of the economy.

You got that right. After buying a lefty Ruger Alaskan in 375 Ruger I sold my 375 H&H CZ and Win 70 and never looked back. Even though I don't have much use for a big bore bolt rifle now a days the Ruger will stay. With it's 20 inch barrel and factory iron sights it should make a dandy short range deer rifle

Unless Ruger thoguht their salvation was in Alaska or Africa, I doubt that they are hinging their success on the 375/416R. I think they are just th result of some tinkering and a desire to "normalize" the production of magnum rifles away from the expensive RSM's. I think a factory Winchester in 375/416R would sell extremely well. IN any case, neither are going anywhere.

I think the 375 & 416 Ruger cartridges are outstanding. No matter what rifle they are chambered in, great rounds! The Rugers SS 20" versions make a very rugged and compact platform. I also have an early African in 375 Ruger and it is a sweet handling rifle as well.
Subjective to opinion, but I do prefer the slightly more compact action length these cartridges can be housed in.
As mostly a moose hunter in lower visibility terrain, the 375 Ruger with a 20" is my most carried rifle with 270gr TSX. This is a very handy rifle. I do not feel the 20" barrel hampers me in anyway as to ballistics in any terrain for intended purpose. I do have a longer barrel version, but seemingly always use the 20".
The recently acquired 416 Ruger with 350gr premiums may give my 375 stiff competition as my moose rifle. And the 375 Ruger with with 250 TTSX or similar may keep the 338 Win Mag dusty in the safe as the mythical and illusive "all-around" medium bore.
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Originally posted by BaxterB:
Unless Ruger thoguht their salvation was in Alaska or Africa, I doubt that they are hinging their success on the 375/416R. I think they are just th result of some tinkering and a desire to "normalize" the production of magnum rifles away from the expensive RSM's. I think a factory Winchester in 375/416R would sell extremely well. IN any case, neither are going anywhere.