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I was just wondering if i am the last one on earth that uses primer sealer on the primer/case seam and on the case mouth/ bullet seam. Thanks for the imput. Charlie

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Never heard of it.
I used it once and it didn,t work.
I think its a bunch of gun writer crap.
I heard about it but never tried it,
I use it all the time and your not alone.

 
 
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Charles,
The chances of water making it past the bullet-case mouth gap or the primer-pocket gap are nil during a hunt. You'd have to be a pretty sloppy handloader to not notice enough gap to let water in.

It might have some value if you store your ammunition underwater, though. Smiler

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Thanks George S i feel rather silly now. Nice bull by the way.
 
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I seal some of my primers when I think it is nessasary like when I plan a extended hunt away from home. Sealing a couple boxes doesn't taek any time and I like the isureance.
 
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I won't sell a single round without a full up seal job.
No chance is better than a slim chance.
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I looked at the ingredients of my primer sealant and it is the same stuff as clear nail polish, only not as thick.
 
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The beauty supply shops sell a product that thins out older bottles of nail polish. I use that with some translucent nail polish to get the consistency thin enough. For a total investment of $6.00 I can waterproof a thousand primer pockets. I tried some "street walker red" polish one time but the pigments precipitated out and it looked like crap.
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Is stock it and I have sold it to many who feel the need for that extra protection.

My feelings on primer sealant is that is a solution looking for a problem.

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As an experiment, I loaded twenty rounds of 270 Win (without primer sealant) and dropped half of them in container of very hot water. I left them there for about a week, then took them out and shot them over a chronograph. There was no difference between the "wet" rounds and "dry" rounds. I haven't used primer sealant since that experiment.


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Well, that experiment sure puts it into perspective. I was pondering the notion of using primer sealer, but that definately makes up my mind.

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George before the pool get any fuller want to join in? were haveing a "how to store your ammo safely "seminar sofa Charlie
 
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As an experiment, I loaded twenty rounds of 270 Win (without primer sealant) and dropped half of them in container of very hot water. I left them there for about a week,


I think we are walking down the wrong path here fellows.

A well assembled reload is fairly moisture proof right from the press. This is not the main problem.........

Look on cartridge boxes, especially older ones.... You will see "oilproof" or words to that effect, and herein lies the primary problem.....

We are using more and more "penetrant" types of lubrication. (Break-free, Kroil, etc.)

If you really want to test your sealant, soak a couple of rounds in Kroil for a couple of days... Leaving an "oily" gun loaded over time is the only real reason for sealant and even is the MAIN preventative concept behind sealants in military ammo; the military are probably the best at methods of sealant for reliability in life or death situations, and who we should copy for best results....

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Now I might use sealant to keep oils out of the primer pocket. Never thought of that, never read the old ammo boxes, never used sealant before. Of course, I never have a lot of free running solvents/lubricants/penetrants in a loaded rifle, but crap happens sometimes. Good point BigRx.
 
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yeah, when hunting i routinely keep my bore plugged so I can keep the bore and chamber full of solvent for months on end with the chamber loaded. I also have to silicone the breech to keep all of that solvent from running out the back of the chamber. Of course when set up like this, I can't shoot when I see game, which means the bore and chamber will stay full of oil, which is even more reason to have primer pockets sealed.

Bullet sealing is hype to try to differentiate one company from another. It is nothing more than ad hype and a gun writer can take it and run with it. Most gun writers are not very technical people and it shows to those who really are technical people.

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yeah, when hunting i routinely keep my bore plugged so I can keep the bore and chamber full of solvent for months on end with the chamber loaded. I also have to silicone the breech to keep all of that solvent from running out the back of the chamber. Of course when set up like this, I can't shoot when I see game, which means the bore and chamber will stay full of oil, which is even more reason to have primer pockets sealed.

Bullet sealing is hype to try to differentiate one company from another. It is nothing more than ad hype and a gun writer can take it and run with it. Most gun writers are not very technical people and it shows to those who really are technical people.

Save the finger nail polish for the street walkers.


Marc,

Never under-estimate the penetrating power of Kroil; even with just a thin film on board. Don't ask how much oil it takes to kill a primer either........... You don't want to know!

BigRx
 
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I ran a lot o frpimer tests back in the late '80s and was shocked at how hard they were to "kill." I soaked them in several kinds of oils and water and they went "bang" when struck by a firing pin. It sure opened my eyes.

So yes, I would be interested to hear what you are referring to when you say "you don't want to know!" Plus I don't use Kroil anyway.

I gurandamnteeya that hunting buffalo with non-seald primers is far safer than dating the average red headed woman.
 
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I never thought of trying to keep my rounds solvent proof. I'll soak some rounds in various penetrating oils and see what happens.


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After reading this, I'll use the rest for fly tying homer
 
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As an experiment, I loaded twenty rounds of 270 Win (without primer sealant) and dropped half of them in container of very hot water. I left them there for about a week, then took them out and shot them over a chronograph. There was no difference between the "wet" rounds and "dry" rounds. I haven't used primer sealant since that experiment.


I left a 25/06 round in my camo pants after one hunting trip. My wife handed it back to me after it went through a full wash cycle in the washing machine. At least it didn't go through the dryer. On the next hunting trip a year later I chambered it expecting a dud. I pointed the rifle into a prickly pear and it fired normally. FWIW
 
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I think the only place where the seal for the outdoorsmen is needed in rifle & pistol ammo is when the Ammo will be stored for long periods of time in a place where the weather, and humidity changes drasticlly over long periods, like in an Alaskan trappers cabin. The temperature can change from 60 or 70 below, to the mid 90s above, and the humidity change from soaking wet to as dry as a bone. Another is military opperations where the ammo may be exposed to underwater opperations, as with Navy Seals. The pressures involved can just about pennitrate anything at 30 ft down, especially in very cold water!

One place it is definenatly needed is with shotgun ammo that is used in extreme conditions,or the possible dunking in a cold river, and used for self defense. The opening around slugs, and less around the primers is a place where extreme moisture can kill the powder of a shotgun slug shell. again as in Alaska's wet hunting seasons of Sept, October, or the ammo being stored there for long periods!


The dipping of ammo in extremely hot water, as in a couple of the examples, will assure no leaks! This is an old cartridge collector's trick to clean old cartridges! If dipped in hot water in a mixture of hot water, and cream of tarter,the water will not penetrate the cartridge. After cleaning the whole cartridge is coated with clear acrylic, in efect sealing it. The same cartridge dipped in ice water will flood the old black powder, distroying the old round, in just a few days. No matter how tight a joint is, extreme temperature changes can open it to invasion!

I would say for most folks, the ammo they use will never see an extreme, because of our short hunts,and the nice shelters we enjoy, while hunting. The year round trapper in the tundra country,or the Navy Seal water opperations, is another matter intirely!


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As we are back on water as our worst culprit again; .......this morning I set six small rifle primers on my benchtop, anvil up.

Taking a match stick, I wetted it with Kroil and touched the anvil of three primers only until I saw an oil film. (much less than a drop)
The other three primers I did the same thing with RemOil. I went upstairs and had breakfast.

An hour later I primed two cases with the same primers untreated. I used a Contender with a 14" barrel to better "hear" the reports. Both these were quite loud in my basement, about like a .22 Short.

I primed three cases with the Kroil "touched" primers and three more with the RemOil.
They had been wet about an hour.....

None of the Kroil treated primers fired! I repeat ........ none!
The first RemOil had the softest sound so quiet I cocked and hit it again. (I struck every primer twice) I heard the hammer hitting as a louder noise than the report. The smallest curl of smoke was in the case. The second RemOil had a real sick pop about like clapping your hands lightly. The third RemOil soaked primer was totally dead.

None of the six would have even come close to igniting a powder charge!

I've seen a couple of "bad" habits that differ from how I was taught. One is standing a fine rifle on its muzzle. The old timers taught me the easiest way to have an accurate rifle change was to put a ding in the crown. But think of the rifle standing on its nose for a moment........

Next is spray cans! Spray cans for those in a hurry! Thin solvent or lube that spreads out quick! How many times I've watched a "heavy" spray with the excess wiped off with a rag.... All over the bolt... Lets say I've seen oil drops coming from the firing pin hole in the bolt more than once!

Take a case with a scratched side in the primer pocket. Load it and carry it in your rifle in pursuit of something with horns or teeth. Have something like Kroil "lay" against the primer and find that scratch......

All it would take is one time..........

Sealing primers is important when your life and limb hangs in the balance whether it be man or beast. Do what you want gentlemen; as for me I'll seal'um when it's my bacon on the line!

BigRx
 
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