Hi all. As many have read, Michael458 is doing some new load research on .458 Win Mag for us. I would very much like for him to include AA-2230 in his studies.

Problem is that in our current environment...AA-2230 is almost unobtainable. If anybody knows where some could be had...I would gladly buy it and pay shipping straight to Michael.

what about Ramshot X-Terminator instead. it's available

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Originally posted by richj:
what about Ramshot X-Terminator instead. it's available

Rich...

Can you point me in the right direction? I looked Midway, Graf, Midsouth, Powder Valley yesterday and there was basically ZERO anything that we would normally use.......????? I put in for notifications on lots of stuff, Midway sent this morning on RL 10X, which I use a good bit of in several various cartridges and was able to get 10 lbs... But that was ALL... Nothing else..........

Michael

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Ramshot X-Terminator

I saw some at a gun show 11/10, on a dealers table. Could have been old stock. I didn't ask, nor did I take his contact info. sorry.

Rich

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Originally posted by Express_Rifles:
http://www.lohmanarms.com/product_p/acc22301.htm

Express.... Thanks....
I went over, ordered $1500 worth of different powders, I think it is all on backorder....... No confirmation anything is in stock or out of stock? I ordered 2 lbs of AA2230 but who knows????? If someone comes up with a # then if and when this comes I will replace it for you.....

?????????

Can't ever have too much powder, primers or bullets... all that stuff disappears here pretty quickly............

Michael

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Hi all. As many have read, Michael458 is doing some new load research on .458 Win Mag for us. I would very much like for him to include AA-2230 in his studies.

Problem is that in our current environment...AA-2230 is almost unobtainable. If anybody knows where some could be had...I would gladly buy it and pay shipping straight to Michael.

Go here: http://www.brunoshooters.com/M...BSS&Category_Code=AA

I called to confirm availability just before posting. They had 12 one lb cans and 2 eight lb jugs.

Michael, this is the place I sent you an email about yesterday.

Phil......

You sent this to me yesterday??? Why did I not pay you any attention? ??? I don't know either! HEH HEH...

I have 2 lbs of AA 2230 on the way, 8 lbs of X Terminator, 8 lbs of TAC, 8 lbs of H-4198 and 5000 215 Federals to add to the pile.....

Ya'll caused me to spend $2700 in the last 30 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!




Ahhh not really, kidding, a couple of lbs of AA 2230 and a lb of H-4895 Klein mentioned on the other thread. Everything else I got I burn anyway....... and I think X is going to do very good in the new 500 B&M too..... or has so far...

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Originally posted by michael458:
Phil......

You sent this to me yesterday??? Why did I not pay you any attention? ??? I don't know either! HEH HEH...

I have 2 lbs of AA 2230 on the way, 8 lbs of X Terminator, 8 lbs of TAC, 8 lbs of H-4198 and 5000 215 Federals to add to the pile.....

Ya'll caused me to spend $2700 in the last 30 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!




Ahhh not really, kidding, a couple of lbs of AA 2230 and a lb of H-4895 Klein mentioned on the other thread. Everything else I got I burn anyway....... and I think X is going to do very good in the new 500 B&M too..... or has so far...

I emailed you about some Hodgdon powders from the same source.

But if you're in a spending mood, I've got this fabulous .375H&H if you're interested.....

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Originally posted by 7MMNut:


But if you're in a spending mood, I've got this fabulous .375H&H if you're interested.....

You gonna eat a hell of a lot of while you wait on me to buy anything that says "375" on it......

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Originally posted by michael458:

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Originally posted by 7MMNut:


But if you're in a spending mood, I've got this fabulous .375H&H if you're interested.....

You gonna eat a hell of a lot of while you wait on me to buy anything that says "375" on it......

Bruno's had it two hours ago when I was there

Mark

Well...I was gonna buy...but good show! I went on Bruno's and bought 8 lb of AA-2230 and some Fed 215's myself.

Thanks for the heads up Phil! AR is a wonderful place!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Well...I was gonna buy...but good show! I went on Bruno's and bought 8 lb of AA-2230 and some Fed 215's myself.

Thanks for the heads up Phil! AR is a wonderful place!

You're welcome. We all get to learn from Michael's and others efforts, so it's the least I can do.

Michael,
Good luck with the XTerminator powder. This is what I use with my stretched .450 Marlin. In the Browning BLR I got those higher velocities and energies I reported. It was the densest powder in that category so got a whoooole lot more of it (by weight) in the case.
Max

I will be very interested in the data Michael produces with X-terminator vs. AA-2230. I have been told that X-terminator IS 2230 with a different label. If so...Michael should get a hint of it with his testing.

Well Michael...I hop you get yours! Bruno's just called me and said they ran out of AA-2230 before my order filled...Dam!!!!

I hope this country someday returns to normal!

Lane..........

Well....... No calls here today that I am aware of... So maybe I get lucky? I would not fret it too much, I bet we can come up with something just as good as AA2230! In fact, tell you what I will do, make a little bet with you we can equal or better, I win, you buy the beer, you win, I buy the beer!

I made three orders yesterday quickly Powder Valley I went ahead and got 16 lbs of IMR 8208, I use a lot of that anyway.. and 1 lb of H-4895, and this was shipped today for a fact.

Brunos 2#s of AA2230, 8#s H-4198, 8# XTerminator, 8#s TAC, and they said they had Fed 215s so I picked up an extra 5000 of those.... No calls yet? So maybe we get lucky and have the X and the AA2230?

Then Lohman I order 2#s of AA 2230, 10#s RL7, 8#s H-4198, 8#s H-322, 8#s Win 748, and I picked up some more Fed 215s ???? But I don't think Lohman has anything "In STOCK"... I don't know? We will find out, it comes it comes.... Hopefully.....

I received a notification from Midway at 4:15 PM... WW748 8# in Stock... By the time I got there 1 hour later.. Nothing Left, all gone, OUT OF STOCK........

Have to check every day.....

Michael

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Well....... No calls here today that I am aware of... So maybe I get lucky? I would not fret it too much, I bet we can come up with something just as good as AA2230! In fact, tell you what I will do, make a little bet with you we can equal or better, I win, you buy the beer, you win, I buy the beer!

I know better than to bet with the Master...but what the hell...in the .458 WM...I bet it is at the top of the chart! (with the exception of X-terminator). But...I would buy you a beer anyway anytime...so if I loose...not really a loss!

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Well....... No calls here today that I am aware of... So maybe I get lucky? I would not fret it too much, I bet we can come up with something just as good as AA2230! In fact, tell you what I will do, make a little bet with you we can equal or better, I win, you buy the beer, you win, I buy the beer!

I know better than to bet with the Master...but what the hell...in the .458 WM...I bet it is at the top of the chart! (with the exception of X-terminator). But...I would buy you a beer anyway anytime...so if I loose...not really a loss!

Lane...........

Actually I am looking forward to 458 Winchester........ It presents more of a challenge perhaps than 458 Lott does to me. With its limited capacity it has always got a bum rap from those that do not understand the cartridge, or caliber. It is always preached the 458 Win could not do this, nor that and always about the 500 gr .458s..... Well 458 Win has and will always be its best with a 450 for the heavies! While I have run 500s to the magical 2150, I have never taken a 458 Win, or its equal the 458 B&M to the field with anything heavier than the 450s, and the 450s have never let me down, elephant buffalo or hippo! Back in the days before the #13s, I used the 450 Barnes Banded exclusively as the Solid, along with 450 Swifts, 400 Swifts, 400 Woodleighs and so forth, heavier 450 Swift for buffalo, and the 400s for everything else, with incredible good success, just as good as the 458 Lotts with the 500s and the same bullets! And TODAY... With our new Bullet Tech from CEB and North Fork... Really, there is no need for the Lott any more!!!!!!!! I said NEED, or REQUIRED, not desired........ 458 Win will do it all with ease and then some. Today, I would not carry a 24 inch gun, so I carry the 18 inch 458 B&M running 450s at 2200-2225 fps and they do great......... 24 Inch 458 Win we should touch 2300 with 450s without much problem... I think? We will learn eh??????

All good stuff........... I hate that lott I am testing with, big stupid looking POS....... The 458 Win we will be testing with is a Win M70 24 inch gun, one of those Big 5 guns from the old Custom Shop..... A real rifle.....

The 416 Remington is another Win M70 24 inch barrel one of the few Stainless guns that came out of the Custom Shop back in the day as well..... Another real rifle.....

Michael

If anyone gets any more leads on some AA-2230...I would appreciate it!

Lane

Working on it-hope to know for sure in a day or two.

SSR

Well...Lohmans in Houston called today and they had 3 lbs of my order of A-2230...so I am fixed for a while.

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Ya'll caused me to spend $2700 in the last 30 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know my first wife?

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Originally posted by lawndart:

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Ya'll caused me to spend $2700 in the last 30 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know my first wife?

No, but I know my second one was rather expensive, but not as much as the third.......



Email from Brunos says my order is being shipped this coming week.... Includes 2#s of AA 2230, in which we can do some
serious test work with..............

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Originally posted by michael458:

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Originally posted by lawndart:

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Ya'll caused me to spend $2700 in the last 30 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know my first wife?

No, but I know my second one was rather expensive, but not as much as the third.......



Email from Brunos says my order is being shipped this coming week.... Includes 2#s of AA 2230, in which we can do some
serious test work with..............

Y'all have NOOOOOOOOOthing on me here bros!!! I'll match the the expense of my 3rd with either of you!!! I am just now getting to where I can joke about without getting a lump in my thoat.

But...I can tell y'all another thing...no matter what it cost...it was bloody well WORTH IT!!!

Seems I am behind--I only have 1 ex-----but she did get a ranch out of the deal.

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But...I can tell y'all another thing...no matter what it cost...it was bloody well WORTH IT!!!

AMEN............ Pay them to leave...... This was the second one for sure....

See, I still have the third, and keeping this one for good.... But she is not CHEAP...... She likes to BUILD! Remodel!
that sort of thing...... I swear, I see no end of it.............. Currently she is on a "Garage Remodel".... Yes, garage!
By the time she is finished, we can live in the garage....... Problem is, there are two garages... She is already making
noises about garage number 2!!!!!!!!