I have always wanted to have a Taylor built but wonder if it makes sense now that the Ruger has come out.

Probably so. If that matters to anybody that wants one

Not for those that want a slightly smaller case and a belt.

I doubt the 416 Taylor would have had much if any following if the 416 Ruger had come out first. I also see no reason what soever to toss the 416Taylor for a 416 Ruger. 100fps either way will make no difference on the business end. Except maybe factory ammo.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
Not for those that want a slightly smaller case and a belt.

I doubt the 416 Taylor would have had much if any following if the 416 Ruger had come out first. I also see no reason what soever to toss the 416Taylor for a 416 Ruger. 100fps either way will make no difference on the business end. Except maybe factory ammo.

my only reason to choose the taylor is the hundreds of rounds of O.F. brass on hand,,but if a trip to the Dark Continent was in the mix,,proper headstamps that match the marks on the rifle are S O P in most locales for entry.

I love the Taylor.

Does the redundancy really matter.

.458 Win., Lott, Wby., Dakota, Rigby, and on and on.

.416 Rem., Wby.,Ruger, Taylor, Rigby, Hoffman..............

.375 H&H, Wby., Ruger, JRS, Taylor............

The more the better as far as I'm concerned,Makes everyone happy!

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
Not for those that want a slightly smaller case and a belt.

I also see no reason what soever to toss the 416Taylor for a 416 Ruger. 100fps either way will make no difference on the business end. Except maybe factory ammo.

OK I'll tell you why I did it

My Taylor was the first big bore I ever built, and not knowing what I know now I was worried about recoil.

I used a #6 profile barrel, which in retrospect was way too heavy and had it originally at 26 inches.

It was way to heavy so I trimmed it back to 24, it was better but still heavy.

Finally I bit the bullet, trimmed it back to 22 and deep fluted the barrel, but I was worried I would loose too much velocity. SO I rechambered in 416 Ruger and got the velocity back up up to about the same as it was at 24.

SO why would anybody change a Taylor to a Ruger, well if they were putting their taylor on a diet and cutting the barrel back to shorter lengths, then going to a Ruger chamber will get velocity back.

regards
S&F

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Originally posted by Dark Continent:
I have always wanted to have a Taylor built but wonder if it makes sense now that the Ruger has come out.

Of course it DOES.....just ask Will

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SO why would anybody change a Taylor to a Ruger

Like I said I see no reason in the world why anyone would change a taylor to a Ruger. I just feel is the Ruger was theere first there would be a lot less Taylors

Taylor: form brass from many cases, easy conversion from regular action, decent velocity - that's why I went with it. I built mine as an exercise in learning how to go about it so I have a soft spot for it. The soft spot may be on my head though.

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Originally posted by Dark Continent:
I have always wanted to have a Taylor built but wonder if it makes sense now that the Ruger has come out.

I guess it boils down to what components are most likely going to survive production cancellations the longest.

416 Ruger or 458 WM cases?

There ain't a whole lot of demand for Africana stuff, so out goes the 416 Rem brass at Rem. The same might happen to the 416 Ruger brass when Rem. buys Ruger!!

Will the bean counters at what is left of Winchester announce an edict that spells the demise of empty brass, including 458 WM brass? Pretty scary stuff.

I hunt Africa in March when it is still raining. I have a wonderful Searcy .450 N.E. in my gunsafe which I'll always take for elephants...

However, if the day is exceptionally rainy and wet, the Searcy will stay in the waterproof gunslip and my .416 Ruger Alaskan will come out.

Ammo.. I just bought 200 Hornady DGS at $55@box that make 2325 fps out of the 20" barrel. I got QD mounts and have a 1.5-5x scope on it. It is a 1.5" gun at 100 yards and if the figures are right from Hornady??? I will have to aim just a few inches high at 200 yards if I want to kill PG with it and DGX bullets. (I have 200 or them ordered at the same price.) That much ammo should last a lifetime, particularly if I reload my practice stuff, which I plan to do.)

The gun cost $800 delivered, I bought the scope on ebay for $198 and the QD rings for less than $50.

I think the stock on the Ruger sux as to appearence, but it is quite functional for a "rain gun".

I couldn't have gotten a new .416 Taylor rig for the price with the same features, I think?? Stainless, intergral mounts, factory ammo at $55@box.

Just my musings.

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Originally posted by Will:

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Originally posted by Dark Continent:
I have always wanted to have a Taylor built but wonder if it makes sense now that the Ruger has come out.

I guess it boils down to what components are most likely going to survive production cancellations the longest.

416 Ruger or 458 WM cases?

There ain't a whole lot of demand for Africana stuff, so out goes the 416 Rem brass at Rem. The same might happen to the 416 Ruger brass when Rem. buys Ruger!!

Will the bean counters at what is left of Winchester announce an edict that spells the demise of empty brass, including 458 WM brass? Pretty scary stuff.

Yes, we do not quite know what the future will bring. At one stage we could not get 9,3x64 mm brass in South Africa and it is still scarce today. This cartidge never gained a major following outside Europe, unlike the 9,3 x62 mm.

The same fate is befalling the 300 H&H today after Winchester basically killed it by introducing their own replacement cartridge, namely the 300 Win Mag. Only Winchester brass is available now as far as I know, and how long is that still going to be the case? Now that Winchester has a new owner, who knows what rationalization will bring under its new management, and as you rightly alluded to 'bean counters' will look at profit generation for a given product line and what resources are committed to do it.

If this happens to the ailing 7x57 mm, we will have to think about starting a revolution !!! The 7x57 mm has still a substantial following here is South Africa, unlike in Europe where the 7x64 mm is more popular.

Warrior

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Originally posted by Warrior:

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Originally posted by Will:

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Originally posted by Dark Continent:
I have always wanted to have a Taylor built but wonder if it makes sense now that the Ruger has come out.

I guess it boils down to what components are most likely going to survive production cancellations the longest.

416 Ruger or 458 WM cases?

There ain't a whole lot of demand for Africana stuff, so out goes the 416 Rem brass at Rem. The same might happen to the 416 Ruger brass when Rem. buys Ruger!!

Will the bean counters at what is left of Winchester announce an edict that spells the demise of empty brass, including 458 WM brass? Pretty scary stuff.

Yes, we do not quite know what the future will bring. At one stage we could not get 9,3x64 mm brass in South Africa and it is still scarce today. This cartidge never gained a major following outside Europe, unlike the 9,3 x62 mm.

The same fate is befalling the 300 H&H today after Winchester basically killed it by introducing their own replacement cartridge, namely the 300 Win Mag. Only Winchester brass is available now as far as I know, and how long is that still going to be the case? Now that Winchester has a new owner, who knows what rationalization will bring under its new management , and as you rightly alluded to 'bean counters' will look at profit generation for a given product line and what resources are committed to do it.

If this happens to the ailing 7x57 mm, we will have to think about starting a revolution !!! The 7x57 mm has still a substantial following here is South Africa, unlike in Europe where the 7x64 mm is more popular.

Warrior

Thanks Guys, good replies all and much to think about.

I am not mistaken doesn't Olin still manufacture the brass and ammo and just licence the Winchester name to FN who builds the guns?

There are no redundant cartridges.

Alternatively, most of them are redundant.

I prefer the former.

JudgeG: What QD rings did you use? Thanks

I always wanted a .416 Hoffman and the .416 Remington came out. I have a Hoffman.

If you are worried about getting cases for the 416 Ruger in the future, simply buy 3 or 4 hundred now and you will have a life time supply.

465H&H

Originally posted by Dark Continent

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I have always wanted to have a Taylor built but wonder if it makes sense now that the Ruger has come out.

Me, too. So I had a Taylor built. You can buy a brand new .416 Ruger but if you want a .416 Taylor you gotta have it built. If I had it to do again and I didn't have a .416 it would still be a Taylor.

There is a whole bunch of people who have decided that larger bore rifles are just too much fun. As long as some demand exists and the profit margins are there, we will have access to brass and bullets. Neither of the two rot on a shelf, so go ahead and buy 400 of each for two lifetimes. You will have to forego three restaraunt dinners, bfd.

The Taylor is so cool because you can whip one together out of any long action rifle that is laying around, there are thirty or more ways to make the brass (Hornady .458 Win Mag, .458 Lott, Belted Basic Brass, R-P .458 Win Mag, Winchester .458 Win Mag, any brand of .375 H&H with some gyrations, etc.) and it is an eminently flexible round. From hogs to bull elephant and everything in between, it has dispatched them all without fuss.

Like the 9.3x62, the Taylor will put a dime sized hole straight through any mast eater or ruminant extant without causing bloodshot meat.

The 375 and 416 Ruger cartridges are as well suited to today's powders and primers as the 416 Rigby was to cordite and hot weather.

Hornady has a history of standing behind its creations. The .376 Steyr never got much traction with the public, but you can still get plenty of brass for it. Now that Hornady does not make as much the price has doubled, and they sell out of it every year. The only point there is if you like one of the new creations, buy a pile of brass while they are flogging it to the shooting community; that is when the price will be the lowest.

Also, if you have plenty of brass and bullets, who cares if a cartridge falls out of favor. Remington makes one run of .416 Rem Mag brass every year. Then you can get 500 cases at 65 cents each. My 20 year old Sako hunter in .416 Rem Mag was, is and always will be, a wonderful rifle. Again, since Remington sells out of its .416 Rem Mag brass every year, it will keep on making it.

Whenever I start to get disheartened, I remember the .416 Rigby. As the perfect African magazine rifle cartridge it is gowing much stronger now than at any time, right on 98 years since its introduction.

End of ramble.

LD