What do you guys who like the .416 Remington Magnum find that appeals to you? It is not the oldest, nor the most powerful. It does not come in the best package. It is high pressure but in these days of powders other than Cordite that is no longer an issue.

It was never very popular and only in the last 15 years has it become so. Help me to understand.

I never liked it because 'Remington' follows .416 on the headstamp!

Will,
where was the 416 rigby 15 years ago?
dead as a doornail, that's were..

what company revived it? CZ

can to speculate on the number of 416 rems made in the first 15 years of production vs ALL of the 416 rigby's made?

let's check the makers standard product line
416 rem
remington
winchester
savage
brno
couple rugers
kimber
browning?!?!?


Let's check the people making rigbys today
cz
ruger
ruger

anyone else?


let's cehck compoments
rem brass... 35� each
rigby 1.85

dies?
rem 25 bucks
rigby 125 bucks
High pressure, schmy pressure, it's the SAME as the 300 win/7mag

the "real" question is why woudl anyone choose EITHER over a 404 jeffery?

jeffe

Will,



I swear, that paragraph sounds vaguely familiar....



Will there be odes of heritage, love, passion, and joy.... or will it "smack" of a marriage of mere practical convenience?



Good Luck and Good Hunting,

EKM

I settled on the 416 Rem. because it was the biggest package available in a std. 375 length action and the balistics were right, and ammo and components were available and always will be...Factory ammo is to had about anyplace...but most of all because it works about as well as any DG caliber that I have used on game, and I have used them all, and it doesn't loosen my fillings in the process....I think I like the 404 better but it does not have the advantages of the 416...the 416 rem has proven itself to me with perfect satisfaction, it will do ANYTHING the great 375 will do on DG and plainsgame at long range or short range, and a whole lot more, with not enough increase in recoil for me to notice...

Hi Will:

I have a custom 416 Rem. Mag.... and God for bid.. I even have it on a Remington action.

My handloads shoot both 400 Grn Swift Aframes and 400 Grn Barnes Solids to approximately the same point of aim at under one inch at 100 yards, muzzle velocity a hair over 2500 FPS.

The caliber just makes sence. Shorter action than the Rigby, component cost is far less than Rigby, all components are available. Lighter weight in rifle setup, accurate, hard hitting as any 416 rigby....

It works for me....

Regards... Jim P.

Its a good caliber available in good guns. I doubt most of them will ever see dangerous game so all the DGR esoterics don't matter to most of the current buyers.

Jeffe,

I give the credit for making the .416 Rigby new again to Federal for making factory ammunition, even if it does cost $4 per cartridge.

jim

cheap brass!!!!!!

liled

Jim,
federal also makes 35whelen and 470 nitro... and while these are popular in their niche, they don't have the popularity in NEW rifles as the 416 rem.

no doubt about it.. George had the right idea
jeffe

Huh?

I think you are just bucking for the moderator job.

I had occasion to watch an encounter with a wounded cape 'buff at about 35 yards. My friend had a 375 using 300 grain bullets. The PH had a 416 Rem Mag and was using 400 grain bullets. We were trailing him up and I was standing between them and slightly behind them when the wounded 'buff stood up. They each fired three shots into it, one after another. The difference in the reaction of the 'buff when he was hit with the 375 versus when he was hit with the 416 was remarkable. The reaction to the 375 hits in the front end could be seen, but the reaction to the 416 hits were much more noticable. The 416 hits moved him!

I am a .375 fan and have shot several dozen African trophies (plains game) with it. But after watching the above am convinced that the 416 Rem Mag is superior.

Matt,
I noticed the same thing when I shot the buff below with a .375H&H and .470 Capstick. The buff was noticeably more affected by the .470 than the .375.

George

While at my local gunstore today we got to talking about .416's and looking at distributer listings. The only .416 Remingtons we could find are the ones made by USRAC/Winchester. There were Rigby's made by Ruger and CZ but only the one in Remington flavor.

Were we missing something or has this cartridge (Remington)Petered out ?

I also noted that there's a listing for the CZ American 550 Magnum with a laminate stock. Think that will fix the problems with stock breakage?

Rick
(who has way too much time to spend in the gunshops until his safari in May)

I built my first .416 less than a month ago on a SS 700 action and a Lilja #7 contour. It's a .416 Remington Mag. With less than 30 rounds through it I can say it is equally as accurate as any big game rifle I own. To break the barrel in I used 2grs under max of 4895 and Speer 350gr Magtips the first group went into just under .5". My buddy wanted to try some 400 X's so I loaded them 1gr under max and he proceeded to shoot a 3/8" 3 shot group. I think with a 2oz trigger and a 6.5x20 leupold this thing will shoot down near 1/4".

Rick,
ruger carries makes at least 1 #1 in 416 rem

rem makes at least 2 416s, with one being a "any caliber standard you want" situation.... they don't make a rigby

http://www.remington.com/firearms/custom/700SKSST.htm
http://www.remington.com/firearms/custom/700custom_c.htm
http://www.remington.com/firearms/custom/fi_700abg.htm

winchester makes 2

savage seems to have droped their whole "african" line... which is NOT a bad idea for them... after all, who equates "buffalo" with "savage" (irony) and browning is basically the clotheshorse for the wsm/wssm line....

hell,
I like em all, that is, the 40's out there... from .401 to .485, they are ALL good calibers

jeffe

For me the only reason to choose the 416 Remington is because I like the M70. If you like the CZ or Ruger better then the decision is for the Rigby.

Jeffe & guys,

There is a big difference between what the major makers catalog and what they are actually shipping. For example distributors report that Winchester for '03 and '04 is shipping .270 WSM and 7mm WSM rifles and not .270 Win or 7mm Rem Mag (rifles is these calibers were last seen between July and September of '03 in the distribution pipeline).

With the majors building rifles in "runs" in a particular cartridge chambering, you might have to get lucky to find one or just wait for a production gun. Or order a rifle from the Custom Shop.

jim

I noticed on the Winchester (French) web site that the Mod. 70 LT isn't even offered in 300 WM anymore. They are really pushing the short magnums, which, personally, I think is a mistake.

I think the short magnums are just hype, but apparently Win. is trying to obsolete the standard calibers so one is forced to go short magnums.

More business for the custom makers in more traditional calibers I would guess.

Jim,
While that may be true, i can drive over to carter's country and get a rem, sav, win, browning, ruger, in any caliber that's current, off the shelf. They don't carry CZ

jeffe

The 416 Rem is only .041bigger in diameter than the lauded 375 H&H but will drop anything anywhere in a heap using 400 grain bullets. It has the same expansion ratio as the .308 Winchester, and uses the same powders to even greater efficiency. R15 is perfect for every bullet weight.

Even a "light" 300 gr bullet has a sectional density of .248, which is plenty for plains game and at 2950 fps it shoots as flat as a 150 grain 270 Win.

All this at managable levels of recoil in an H&H length action. About the only challenger would be a 416 RUM, but Remington is too smart for that.

You forgot practical, and that is where the rem mag shines. The important thing to remember is, it is the bullet that does the work on the game, the cases job is only to hold enough powder to get the desired muzzle velocity.

As Ray mentioned, a 416 rem mag can be built on a gun that has the weight and size as the 375 H&H. There are the various 404 based versions, but they are either wildcats or limited production specialty rounds. The only other real factory 416�s are the Rigby and Weatherby. While they are both very powerful, or low pressure, they require very large rifles. IMHO, if you are going to use an action large enough and hence heavy enough to handle the Rigby case, it ought to be in a 45, 475 or 50 caliber.

I don�t have any love for Remington products, but the 416 Hoffman as stolen by Remington is an outstanding platform for launching 400 gr 40 caliber bullets from properly sized hunting rifles.