Just a lil fun project with one of My Favorite,UltraReliable,Light,Weatherproof,Accurate,Handy Shotguns that can Really Dish out some Serious Firepower in a few seconds! I think I will call it "7B" (Big Bad Black Benelli Bear & Bison Buster!) 8pds and 39" w/18" Rifled Barrel..Sights and QD Leupold 1.5-6x32 Shortie.Will Launch Custom 1040gr Hardened Cast .73 Caliber Slugs at 1200+ and 880s at 1500+..I am sure I could get all 7 or 8 out in a few seconds,hmmm (2nd pic shows a 1 3/8oz slug,a loaded custom round and a 1040 gr(2 3/8oz)These are Much More Powerful than my 3" Brenneke's,which I tested on trees and dirt banks..Huge Difference!Now,all I need a Chargn Grizz

I like your style!

Kid- you need a bigger case. Now 1000 gr at 1800fps should get your juices flowing with that gun-Rob

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Kid- you need a bigger case. Now 1000 gr at 1800fps should get your juices flowing with that gun-Rob

Rob-That would be nice IF it would fit n feed in my auto?...I know one hit is better than 8 misses,BUT,I am sure I can hurl a Whole Pound of lead out in a few seconds into a runaway "Toyota"

heh .. let me know first when you sell it;.. you can keep the scope

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
heh .. let me know first when you sell it;.. you can keep the scope

I think this ones a keeper as I use it for other stuff too, with the shotgun barrel...The Slug barrels on the SBE's have the top half of the receiver attached,which is good because when removed,the scope goes with it!

okay... just remember.. that looks like a 4 wheelr pig gun to me!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
okay... just remember.. that looks like a 4 wheelr pig gun to me!

Agreed!...Legal Question...Ok,Feds say 18" shotguns and 16" rifles...so,if a shotgun barrel if factory rifled,with sights and designed for Singel Projectiles,would it be legal at 16"???????

no, it wouldn't be ... chamber denotates caliber

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
no, it wouldn't be ... chamber denotates caliber

Shucks,thats true! Oh well,I would have recut it to 16,but not a chance now ....Thanks

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
no, it wouldn't be ... chamber denotates caliber

I'm NOT trying to be difficult, but seriously asking the following question.

Is a 17 pound sxs, with rifled bbls - lands .719" and grooves .729" and a twist

of 1:30, proofed in London to fire 1200 grn solid bullet made by G S Custom

at 1900 FPS, from 3.5" long brass that has the exact rim and base measurements,

and taper of a 12 gauge 2.75" pheasant load plastic hull, to be seen as a "shotgun"

and not a rifle because of the chamber dimensions, even if it's stamped on the

bbls "729 Nitro Express RIFLE". What if "RIFLE" is not included in the stamping?

Any way, you all get my point. I might have messed up a fine point, or left out

a snippet that automatically makes the above arm a shotgun. But I really think

this point can be knocked around for ever in court, and it all started with the

idea of allowing "shotguns" to have rifling in their bbls. to fire certain types

of slugs, [which are just big, non-typically shaped bullets] more accurately. If

the law would have just said a shotgun has a smooth, cylindrical bore, that would
have been that! {I think...}

The forms to legally possess a short barreled shotgun are not complex and may be worth doing in this case.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
okay... just remember.. that looks like a 4 wheelr pig gun to me!

Now wait a minute! You'd put that shotgun on a 4 wheeler and then take a chance on tearing yourself and the gun up?

Jack
the laws between rifles and shotguns in the us are specific. you might be right, you might win in court ... i myself, aint interested in getting arrested, booked, arrainged, annouced in the paper, hiring attornies, facing the critisism of employer for being arrested, and taking time off from work to go to court ... which could go on for an unspecified length of time ... and then getting a little special tax attention, and then trying to recover the 20-30K in legal costs, + a hole in my life that isn't possible to "Retract".... and all over an obvious point, on the books, that says shotguns will be 18" barrels and 27" oal minimum.

does't have to make sense, or we don't have to like it...

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Originally posted by tendrams:
The forms to legally possess a short barreled shotgun are not complex and may be worth doing in this case.

the forms and licenses required to make it aren't quite as simple .. and cost randy weaver his wife's life

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Jack
the laws between rifles and shotguns in the us are specific. you might be right, you might win in court ... i myself, aint interested in getting arrested, booked, arrainged, annouced in the paper, hiring attornies, facing the critisism of employer for being arrested, and taking time off from work to go to court ... which could go on for an unspecified length of time ... and then getting a little special tax attention, and then trying to recover the 20-30K in legal costs, + a hole in my life that isn't possible to "Retract".... and all over an obvious point, on the books, that says shotguns will be 18" barrels and 27" oal minimum.

does't have to make sense, or we don't have to like it...

PLEASE - No offense intended!!!

Let's just say the gun I described above AND BELOW has 26" bbls.

I ask the same question that I posed above again.

Is a 17 pound sxs, with rifled bbls - lands .719" and grooves .729" and a twist

of 1:30, proofed in London to fire 1200 grn solid bullet made by G S Custom

at 1900 FPS, from 3.5" long brass that has the exact rim and base measurements,

and taper of a 12 gauge 2.75" pheasant load plastic hull, to be seen as a "shotgun"

and not a rifle because of the chamber dimensions, even if it's stamped on the

bbls "729 Nitro Express RIFLE". What if "RIFLE" is not included in the stamping?

Shouldn't go there, as most of us want to do stuff
with any length 12ga case in rifled barrels(or smooth);
without having to get an exempt from over 50cal
DD, sporting cartridge exemption.So do ammo manufacturers
who make all kinds of cases and lengths.
And smiths who backbore barrels, forcing cones,
choke recesses.

If that is done, ie called a rifle, and person has to
get the sporting exemption, you now might have
bureaucrats wanting to hassle every type case in 12ga
because someone might shoot it in rifled 12ga.
Is it worth what might happen just to be able
to cut off 2 more inches. Ed

If law enforcement has a chance to be an asshole it will.
Dont give them the chance.

John

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by tendrams:
The forms to legally possess a short barreled shotgun are not complex and may be worth doing in this case.

the forms and licenses required to make it aren't quite as simple .. and cost randy weaver his wife's life

no, its just dumb to try and make a short barreled shotgun .. you'll be in jail and fighting your case from the graybar hotel .. bad place to be, unless you really want a small room, with a couple new boyfriends

Kid,

Nice Benelli I have one just like except for a 24" barrel. Curious though as to how you are getting 7 or 8 rounds out of that rig. It appears to have the short mag tube.

Hey Safarikid,
Do you think you could get away with less wadding?
Just use the over powder wad and have more powder space?
I think Ed Hubel made up some loads like that, not sure though.

John

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Originally posted by ScottS:
Kid,

Nice Benelli I have one just like except for a 24" barrel. Curious though as to how you are getting 7 or 8 rounds out of that rig. It appears to have the short mag tube.

Thanks!I have a longer extension also plus it is a HK version that also holds a "floater" round under the bolt + 1 in the chamber.

Guys,

I'm really not keying in on the gauge. Read the above question that I put forth and

imagine using the appropriate numbers for 16ga. or 20ga. {or 13 gauge .700" groove

diameter & .690" land diameter} for example. I AM keying on, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE

CORRECT WAY TO DEFINE A SHOTGUN VS. A RIFLE LEGALLY? Is there a delineating

characteristic or characteristics? It's clearly NOT the presence or absence of rifling in

the bores, which IMHO it should be that!

THe industry tradition that the ATF
goes along with is to have the gauge stamped
on the barrel and the max length of chamber.
In other words read like 12 GA 3.5" or 20 GA 3", etc.
Now the 700NE could have been labeled 13 Ga
but as was said in another thread the 700
name sounds so much hairier.
So it any one gets a gun marked as a .729" rifle
you can change it to 12 GA plus length as long
as chamber is 12ga, if you want.Ed

That makes me want to "convert" my Benelli M1 Super 90!!!

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Originally posted by woodsracer:
That makes me want to "convert" my Benelli M1 Super 90!!!

I have one too and it shoots great...they make a slug barrel for it,so there ya go!

I already have some .72 caliber hardened "balls" that I have been tempted to load, just for giggles. Don't worry, I'll remember to take out my XX Full choke and insert the open tube.

That reminds me, what moulds did you use, and where did you purchase them?

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Originally posted by hubel458:
THe industry tradition that the ATF
goes along with is to have the gauge stamped
on the barrel and the max length of chamber.
In other words read like 12 GA 3.5" or 20 GA 3", etc.
Now the 700NE could have been labeled 13 Ga
but as was said in another thread the 700
name sounds so much hairier.
So it any one gets a gun marked as a .729" rifle
you can change it to 12 GA plus length as long
as chamber is 12ga, if you want.Ed

Ed's info proves again how IDIOTIC Gov't bureaucrats are!!!

If you stamp a rifle's bbls. with the ammo info that

includes GAUGE #, {NOT CALIBER} and max chamber length

you legally have a shotgun as long as the chamber

measurements suit the Gov't. So a 577 NE RIFLE, using .585"

diam. bullets, could be stamped 23 gauge 3 Inch and

now you legally have a 23 Ga. shotgun. Ain't BIG GOV'T GRAND

AND SMART !!! Have 600 NE rifles chambers a bit

altered and magically you get a very heavy shotgun after you re-

stamp the ammo info on the bbls 20 Gauge 3 Inch.

If it was my call, rifling in the bore means you have a rifle,

smooth bore equals shotgun, IF I wanted to have

separate categories within the LONG GUN overall category, which

I likely would not see the need for such the delineations.

if you can put a recognized shotgun shell in the chamber, you can bet they'll nail your hide to the courthoue wall ..

(no offene meant, I am just being direct)
as far as your signature, i don't know who changed it, but the pic might have been blocked per stated policy. Which means you were notified ahead of time. Your approval is in continuing to post on the site

Jeffe is correct. If it will fire a std shotgun shell, then its a shotgun.Thats in fact EXACTLY how I got around the DD issue with the DOJ in CA when I lived there with the 12GaFH. The DOJ gave me a complete green light and the guy in charge wrote me a letter and also wanted me to build one for him! For example, the JUDGE revolver is illegal in CA as it is considered a shotgun because it will chamber and fire a 410 shotgun shell. BTW if you ever went through the effort toget a AOW registered, its a royal PIA and takes about 7 months these days. -Rob

Remember- Its Quadracones from the 12 GaFH when you just Hafta put the big hurt on a Toyota full of Gangstas! Nothing else will do short of a Vulcan Cannon!-Rob

These loads are not loaded by me,but by a friend who is real anal about safety and presures..Sure,we could put more powder in there,but this is about max for this plastic shell and shotgun...

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Originally posted by Phatman:
Hey Safarikid,
Do you think you could get away with less wadding?
Just use the over powder wad and have more powder space?
I think Ed Hubel made up some loads like that, not sure though.

John

Just takes a Slug barrel ...I dont have the mold for these,but a friend does...He also now has a 700 grain All copper slug too!The loads I have shown cost me about 2 bucks each...Here is his email..Greg is his name....Gksappington@aol.com give him a shout..he can sell you slugs or loaded rounds...real nice guy ...He also works with Dixie Slugs on testing..

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Originally posted by woodsracer:
That makes me want to "convert" my Benelli M1 Super 90!!!

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Originally by Robgunbuilder: If it will fire a std shotgun shell, then its a shotgun.

And that's all folks!!!