Jim, you are right on that.

But Midway is already selling brass for these calibers, so presumably somebody out there is already chambering guns for them. I wonder if those early rifles will match the official spec or if they will be slight wildcats.

Mike,

I would pick an H&H rifle in 404 Jeffery instead of 400 HH. Since the 400HH merely repackages the 404 Jeff without any additional functionality, I call it a gimmick. And a gimmick with a disadvantage since 404 ammo is relatively easy to find but 400 HH ammo is not.

Personally I would not want any rifle in 416 Rem. Not because it is a bad cartridge, it's just not my preference.

500grains,

The .400 H&H and .465 H&H have been submitted to CIP, and will eventually will be recognized by SAAMI too.

The .460 A-Square and the .404 Jeffery are not recognized by SAAMI, i.e. they are wildcats. Before the .404 Jeff fans get all "agro", go check. And then go see how many different bore diameters you can find (and headspace dimensions for that matter).

jim

Unlike Rolls Royce, H&H has absolutley nothing to gain by going "modern" and much to lose.

keithv35

The only problem with the Crown Custom and its little brother the Royal is that the wood is pretty basic on them as they come, well at least the ones I have seen in Australia. However, they will do them how you like but once you get away from any of their listed rifles (which the Crown Custom is) you will think they are using H&H brochures for their pricing One of the problems with the pricing is that once the rifle is no longer a listed gun they don't give the gun dealer the same sort of deal.

We have a stockmaker in Australia who NitroX above would know and he says he will do a copy but with flashy wood.

NitroX,

Waghorn and De Vries between them would make a real nice 465 H&H.

Mike

Personally I like the idea of a 465 H&H one day. But on a custom M98 unfortunately.

500,



I was under the impression that the 465 H&H was basically a 460 necked up and with a taper added.



Why is the 400 H&H not suitable for rifles that suit the 416 Remington.



I think H&H will make the rifle on actions like Hartman and Weiss if requested or required.



That bullpup does not reflecy anthing American. The Wby rifle is very eye catching and that is demonstrated very clearly wghen non shooters compare them to other as they have no pre conceived ideas. Actually the rifle I like the most to look at are those short barrel guns Ryan Bredding makes with the big muzle brakes.



Mike

Mike,



Unless my info is wrong, the 400 and 465 are based on the .375 case blown out.

I am 99% sure the 465 H&H is 378 based. Compared to a 460 it sort of looks comparing a 375 H&H to the 375 Wby

It is a bottle neck so that lets the H&H case out of the equation.

Like you, the H&H calibre just does not seem to fit when a Wby is the basis.

Mike

Mike,



The 300 HH would be ok for me. Or the .375. But the 400 and 465 are not practical in light of more popular calibers that offer the same ballistics. Of course I would not want an H&H rifle chambered in a Weatherby caliber.



So here is an example of an American product:







It is a 1903 Springfield in a Bullpup stock. Does it surprise you that Americans are not singing its praises?



By the way, H&H does not make any bolt guns in an action long enough to fit the 378, 416 or 460 wby cartridges. The build their stuff on existing mauser 98 actions.



H&H rifles come with a 1 year warranty only. I thought they would have more confidence in themselves than that. I know of an instance where Reminton warrantied a rifle after more than 20 years.

Jeez everyone has varied tastes and what pleases the eye is different to each of us.

I sure do like the looks of those Weatherbys and the conclusion I draw from most of the reactions here are that there are more beautiful women out there for me. I'll take Hollywood over cornfed anyday.

Maybe if more people didn't like them I'd be able to pick up a crown custom for pennies on the dollar.


The weather is here, wish you were beautiful...Jimmy Buffet

500,

I don't think it is a marketing gimmick at all. I imagine that the people getting the H&H bolt rifle will want the H&H cartridge chambering as opposed to a 416 Remington or 460 Weatherby chambering.

If you were getting H&H bolt guns would you prefer a 300 H&H and 400 H&H or two calibres that were not H&H calibres.

Mike