I decided to go with the CZ 550 and rechamber it to 460 Weatherby.But I found out the recoil would be 110 foot pounds with out a brake which I don't want to add.What does 110 foot pounds of recoil energy feel like?????

Well tell me what the biggest thing you have ever shot is and I'll try to put it in perspective for you. A good 30-06 load will give you about between 20-25 recoil ft lbs and my .375 H&H dishes out about 45..... so just think about it. Let me know.

Try shooting it as a Rigby first. If thats not enough recoil for you, you can work your Rigby reloads up to (near) 416 Weatherby specs.
BTW, you can't "just rechamber" to 460 Weatherby, it requires a re-barrel also.

Not a stupid question at all. Recoil is so subjective for most shooters it is hard to get a relative decription from one shooter to the next. I had a 9 1/4# .458lott & found the recoil wasn't too bad w/ 500gr bullets @ 2150fps, until you fired more than 5-6 rds. Too much gun for me, but many shooters on this board regularly shoot bigger rounds.
If you have a light wt. 12ga, put some magnum goose loads in it & shoot it off the bench. Double that & you are probably close to a .460wby. mag.

[ 05-03-2003, 04:50: Message edited by: fredj338 ]

What is this morbid fascination you have with the designation "Weatherby?" The .460 is nothing more than a .450 Rigby or a .450 Dakota with a belt that takes up space and does nothing for your performance? It is a stupid marketing idea that has absolutely NO ballistic worth. If you want to get the s**t kicked out of you, just put Weatherby's ignorant loads into the Rigby/Dakota case and have "fun". If you insist on a Weatherby chambering (and by the way, Tailgunner is dead wrong, if you start with a .458 Win the Weatherby is a rechamber and new bolt face, not a rebarrel) you will reduce your bolt action to a two shot. When the extra room for the belt is figured in, you can't get three rounds into the magazine, something that you CAN do with the Rigby/Dakota. Remember, the CZ is a controlled feed of the old school and it is very difficult to get it to accept a round from anywhere but the magazine. You have to ease the bolt forward and sort of "pry" the other round in. The alternate idea is to chamber a round from the magazine, turn the rifle over, open the magazine and put another in from the underside . . . while the chamber is loaded! Considering the funky trigger block safety that comes on the original rifle, that isn't a plan that fascinates me at all! So, you rechamber your CZ to .450 Weatherby, and get yourself a cheap two shot rifle with none of the benefits of a double rifle and none of the benefits of a bolt gun. What are you accomplishing?

110 foot pounds of recoil hurts. I don't care what anyone says. Stay with the .416 Rigby like we all recomended. You won't be undergunned.
Andy

I shoot a 500 Jeffrey that weighs in at a tad over 5kgs and that kicked like a bastard until I fitted a mercury tube in the stock and now it's almost a pussycat to shoot.

Although I couldnt give you the recoil figures, to use as a comparison. I'm sure other posters will be able to.

Maybe that's the way to go. If you don't like to use mercury you could use the Blaser version which contains solid beads and is equally wffective.

OldSarge
Your right, when I think of the CZ550mag I assume 416Rigby, I completly forgot about it being available in the 458Win chambering.

recoil, hmmm? I am 6'4, 240... I can take a whallop, but I am recoil sensitive.. all of these will be without a brake, except the 50bmg. the FPS is what kills you

Okay,
460 woundabeast. recoil about 110ft/lbs and 30fps
577 nitro...14# 104/28 LIMIT of what I can shoot
500 jeffe 10.5# about 90/24
470 mbogo... dunno, YET
458lott -- in a light rifle, worse than the jeffe
458 winnie about the same as rigby
416 rigby 72/26
416 rem about the same as rigby
375 hh ... about 2/3 of rigby
376 steyr... popgun...

338 winnie... did it go off? about 1/3 of rigby.

jeffe

What do you think you will gain with a 460Wby Mag, that isn't just as well accomplished by the 120 year old 450NE 3.25", or a 458 Lott? Other than wasted powder, noise, and horrendus recoil, nothing is gained after a .458 diameter, 500 gr bullet passes the magic window of 2150, to 2450 fps. All added velocity is wasted for any practicle purpose, and in the case of the 460 Wby Mag, actually looses to the other two rounds in effectiveness on game!

I can't say I agree with Sarge on the uselessness of the belted case, "ESPECIALLY" with regard to the Wby Mag cases. The thing that is of no use what ever, is the double radius shoulder, on the case that was designed like 90% of the fishing lures sold, they catch more buyers than fish, and are almost useless.

Of course, one may, in this country, at least, build what ever he wants, and though, IMO, the 460 Wby Mag is useless in it's intirety, if that is what it takes to float your boat, do your thing! It's your money,and shoulder, not mine,but were it me, I'd buy the 458 Win Mag, and rechamber to 458 Lott!

My .505 gives about 125 ft. lbs. of recoil with the 600 grain bullets. I want to shoot it and that's about all there is to it. I want the power but don't care to lug around an overly heavy rifle and don't want a muzzle brake. Choices of this sort are personal decisions and should be respected as such.
I see as much merit in the use of the .460 Weatherby casing as I do the .416 Rigby, in that one can obtain proven velocities at moderate operating pressures. Pushing 500 bullets to a desired 2,400 fps at moderate pressures is something the .450 NE or .458 Lott can not provide.

[ 05-03-2003, 19:38: Message edited by: Nickudu ]

Angeldust,

Only you can decide what 110ftlbs feels like to you.

Asking for opinions is good, but like paying for kickboxing club membership up front, based on what a few kickboxers told you about getting hit.

Try before you buy mate.

Karl.

Angeldust, I assume if you're rechambering that the rifle is now a 458 Win Mag. Try it that way for a time. Shoot the heaviest bullet loads you can find and/or make. After you've done that for awhile, you'll be ready to decide if you want a bigger 45. - Dan

A little like 2X a hot slug load in a featherweight 12 Ga. shotgun, only it will hit you about twice as fast also, because of the higher MV of the Weatherby round!!

Well...this is a good point at which to remind us all of the shoulder-protecting virtues of the Pachmayr F990 XXX recoil pad (model right?). I know I'd rather shoot a more powerful rifle that fit with one than a wimpier rifle that didn't fit without. If you find you are getting beat up by hard or nonexistent pads or sharp edges, that will fix it. It's like an inch thick layer of marshmallow.