I dont know if they talk the true but this two hunters have hunting in 30 years.

The incessant ranting by Overkill is NOT representative for us at all.(Overkill, why do you insist on doing this?)

Personally I've found this forum to be a very good source of all sorts of valuable information and also a welcoming place for me as a hunter/shooter with an interest in exchanging general thoughts and ideas. I hope we can keep it that way for our mutual good.

With a special thanks to our good host Saeed,

Wachtel

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Well, there are a LOT of Swedes on this board, and most of us have been staying away from Overkill's posts for the same reason as you. Either he is still wet behind the ears, or he is having fun with our replies to his trolling... :-)

As far as experience goes, there are professional moose hunters in Sweden who have shot thousands of moose. I'm sure a few of them might even share Overkill's naive understanding of physics. :-)

jpb

I'm not Swedish, but you can find persons like Overkill in all other countries. One guy like him by country is ENOUGH. Sweden has Overkill. If nobody answered to Overkill's posts, Overkill'd leave this forum. But he is still here.

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I have begun to think that some of those Swedes set around talking about hunnting but have very little real experience. I have stayed away from this post as it has been so silly, but I finally caved in.
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Saeed has a classy site that the vast majority of the members respect and appreciate. I've hunted for 40 years, all over North America, and learn something new here all of the time from many of the fine posters on this site. Then, again, Overwhatever and his ilk do serve a purpose;
they remind us how much we appreciate having a majority of members that we can exchange information and ideas with knowing it is from
a solid source.

Thanking you all, especially Saeed,
I remain,

Joe

To stand up for my next door neighbors, the Sweedes are among other thing, renovned moose hunters, the moose beeing THE big game there. And belive me, they know how to hunt !!

They have as us Norwegians and the Finns, a continuing tradition of big game hunting since the first raindeer hunters followed the melting ice after the last ice age 10.000 years ago.

At least Overkill ask polite questions.
I remember an American, our old fella Cody, who used to gave us quite a bashing.
You find them everywhere I guess.

Arild

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Originally posted by Overkill:
I was talking whit two moose hunters and they said this, "If a bear are running at you and you shoot the bear in the front of the chest whit a 6,5 x 55 then the bear will maybe die but it is still running at you,but if you shoot the same shoot whit a 460 wby and all the energy of the bullet stay in the bear, then the bear is going to stopp runing."

I dont know if they talk the true but this two hunters have hunting in 30 years.

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Min v�n,

Det finns m�nga som har h�llit p� med mycket under l�ng tid. Detta g�r dem inte till experter.

Det finns inget vapen alls som kan stoppa, i betydelsen stanna, en anfallande bj�rn - om den inte �r v�ldigt liten. Det �r precis samma energi i kulan som i rekylen, s� ett vapen som vore kraftigt nog f�r att g�ra det skulle ocks� d�da skytten med rekylen. Detta �r vanlig, enkel fysik och jag ska bevisa det nedan:

En vuxen svensk bj�rn v�ger �ver 100 kg och kan utan problem springa i upp till 50-60 km/h korta str�ckor. Om vi leker med tanken attt bj�rnen v�ger 150 kg och springer med 55 km/h (~15 m/s) s� har den en r�relseenergi av cirka 17000 Joule. Det �r allts� den kraft som beh�vs f�r att stoppa bj�rnen. En h�rt laddad .460 Wby skjuter en 32 grams kula i ungef�r 860 m/s, detta blir ungef�r 12000 Joule. P� femtio meters h�ll �r du nere p� c:a 800 m/s och c:a 10000 Joule. Detta r�cker allts� inte f�r att "stoppa" en bj�rn, �ven om kulan mot all f�rmodan skulle avge all energi i l�ngdriktningen p� djuret. Eftersom du ocks� kan r�kna med att energin avleds i sida s� finns det inte en chans i hela Sm�land att ens en .460 Wby skulle stoppa en bj�rn.

V�nliga h�lsningar,

-- Mats B. Johansson, Ume�

Bra svar till Overkill.

Kanske han �r ung, kanske han �r bara "trolling" oss, men ditt svar passar boda tv�...

...with apologies for the butchery of the Swedish language...

jpb

For the unwise man 'tis best to be mute
when he come amid the crowd,
for none is aware of his lack of wit
if he wastes not too many words;
for he who lacks wit shall never learn
though his words flow ne'er so fast.

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Originally posted by jpb:
Kanske han �r ung, kanske han �r bara "trolling" oss, men ditt svar passar boda tv�...

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Tjena John!

No need for apologies, your svenska is fine. With regards to the original poster my guess is that he's young. I don't think he's stupid or a troll, he just haven't been there and done that. Yet.

We've all been lesser knowing, we've all been easily affected by people we thought knew... I've learned new things every single day of my life and I will continue to do so until the day I cease to be - having a job like mine (at Clas Ohlson) just makes it easier.

With the wealth of knowledge accessible on this board I'm sure that our young Swedish friend will become a good hunter someday. Until then, and after that, he'll have some questions to ask.

My best to you,

-- Mats

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Originally posted by bill smith:
shoot.......i don't see anything so wrong with this post. what's the issue?

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I didn't see anything wrong either. And I firmly believe in being nice to people until they have proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, that they are not worthy of such treatment.

So I just posted a reply, plain and simple.

-- Mats

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Originally posted by boha:
I could not help myself:
Verse 27 of Havamal; ancient viking proverbs, always up to date:

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Oh, you mean:

�snotur madhur
er medh aldir kemur
thadh er best adh hann thegi.
Engi thadh veit
adh hann ekki kann
nema hann m�li til margt;
veit-a madhur
hinn er v�tki veit
th�tt hann m�li til margt.

-- Mats

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Originally posted by Arild:
I have been reading Overkills questions with a sort of facinating, unbeliving bevilderment. He is a real Sweede, I saw him reply to Fritz (I think in) Swedish.

Arild

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Arild,

I can�t remember that he has replied to me in Swedish. The only time I�ve used another language than English here was two post in German, when I had some strong feelings. But that�s long ago.

And I think it�s time to leave Overkill now. He has get so much critics for his unlucky posting, that he will never come back. Poor youngster!

Best regards,

Fritz

This bear was killed by an airman from Elmendorf AFB on Hitchenbrook Island.

The bear stood 12' 6" and estimated over 1600lbs. The airman was walking to his hunting area and the bear stood up only 35 yards away. The bear dropped down and charged straight for the Airman. He unloaded his rifle and the bear fell 10 yards from him.

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Now it doesn't say what he was using, but what ever it was, it wasn't enough for me!

Rusty
We band of brothers!

Rusty
We band of brothers!

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Originally posted by Carl:
A 338 Win Magnum 250 grain Hornady slug shot at point blank range at a charging Grizzly Bear no matter what its size will stop this Bear right in its tracks or flip him over, case closed. I bet my live on it every time and have been for more the 20 years. If you dont bleive it and have the Guts and the Money then come with me in May and I show you. Fair Chase and safe trails, Carl.

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Carl:
I'll settle for the video. Please have someone film you shooting a charging grizzly at point blank range. I'll pay for the shipping, too.

Rick.

P.S. 3 yards doesn't count. It must be at "point blank range".

...Peter

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Well here is a bear story for ya!

This bear was killed by an airman from Elmendorf AFB on Hitchenbrook Island.

The bear stood 12' 6" and estimated over 1600lbs. The airman was walking to his hunting area and the bear stood up only 35 yards away. The bear dropped down and charged straight for the Airman. He unloaded his rifle and the bear fell 10 yards from him.

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Now it doesn't say what he was using, but what ever it was, it wasn't enough for me!

Rusty
We band of brothers!

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He used a .44 mag pistol, saw that article somewhere else.

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Originally posted by Rune:
I bet none of the persons in question has even seen a 460 Wby.

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If they are lucky they haven't !

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If the bear will stopp of 17 000 joule/13 000 foot pounds,of energy as you say then a 700 Nitro express will stop a bear.

Isn�t that right....?

Energy does not kill.

Holes in vital organs kill. Breaks in the spinal cord from the neck up and holes in the brain kill.

Big holes in vital organs kill quicker than small holes.

There are 2 ways to stop a charging bear:

1. Nervous system shutdown, such as brain shot or high spine shot (forward of shoulders).

2. Vital organ shot which causes system wide organ shutdown. Examples, heart shot (bleeding, loss of blood pressure to brain, death), or lung shot (lungs fill with blood, oxygen supply in blood is not replenished, brain death).

Almost any centerfire round can achieve No. 1.

Bigger bullets achieve #2 quicker than smaller bullets.

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Originally posted by Overkill:
Mats,

If the bear will stopp of 17 000 joule/13 000 foot pounds,of energy as you say then a 700 Nitro express will stop a bear.

Isn�t that right....?

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Seeing how no more than 10 % of the energy, at the most, is released lengthwise in the animal, and how a .700 Nitro would probably penetrate all the way through anyway - no, that is not right.

-- Mats