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I want to know what you think about that. good or bad. I pesonaly think that they lose all their pride if they build that gun. it can be at beautifull as it wants and it may cost 200000&. but anyway, just let it be with the 700. And I think thats is the differens between Purdey and H&H. I can`t imagine that Purdey will build that gun, Does`t they just make purdey`s? What do you think?????? | ||
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| one of us |
I want to know what bullet weight and velocity it will have...??? | |||
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Like the 600 and the 700, it is neat, interresting, and some like big toys. It's nice to look at and I'd like to shoot it a few times... It is also, like the 600 and 700 and even the 577 to heavy to carry on a hunt, and is about as worthless as tits on a boar hog. It's at its best performing silly deeds for silly people, like the last nurd that wounded an elephant with a head shot, with a 700 N.E. | |||
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I'd call it a smokeless 9 bore. They have already made smokeless 8 bores. I wonder why they just don't bring that one back. | |||
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| <shiflan> |
Old Western Scrounger (www.ows-ammo.com) used to have some 4 bore nitro (smokeless) shells. They came from Imperial Cartridge in Austrailia. OWS was selling them as curios with the powder removed. I belive the bullet was a 2000 grain round nosed solid. I could only imagine the gun that fired those behemoths! shiflan | ||
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| <BIG AL Williams> |
I would like to know where is all the information about H&H.800 NE round and rifle? Ands it ie true that purdy will make the rifle? | ||
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 Here are some of the Bore Cartridges. 4 Bore rifle and 4 Bore Shotgun 8 Bore 1150 grn and 8 Bore 875 grn. 10 Bore 12 bore Explora 20 bore Faunetta | |||
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Nice photo there, Gator1. Thanks. | |||
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I read it in an earlier post. on big bore forum . it was an artical in outdoor magasine. go back about 1 or 2 week ago and you wil find the post. I also love big bores and would pay alot of money to shoot it if I got the chance. I don`t think H&H should sell them selv like that. I can see the challange in buildig a gun like that. but in my head I don`t find it right. Mabye it is just me. | |||
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| One of Us |
800 NE If velocity is kept down so that recoil will be tolerable, then penetration will be lousy. Penetration has already been proven to be super lousy with the 700 NE. Even stage performer Mark Sullivan reportedly gave up on the 700 NE after one hunt, and the H&H version of the 700 NE weighs in at 21 pounds. However, it sure sounds like fun. But I am not strong enough to offhand aim a rifle that weighs more than 18 pounds. | |||
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Well folks, I'm a big bore fan, but where I differ from those posting on this string is, I see absolutely no need for this thing at all. I have to agree with Ray. Outside very special occasions the 577 NE 3.25" is not a very usable cartridge. The 600NE, 700NE, and now the 800NE are simply gimmics made to releave rich men of some of their financial weight, nothing more! I had a beautiful 577NE double for years, and never took it to Africa, simply because it was too heavy to carry all day in the African heat, and the weight, and recoil negated any chance of a quick follow up shot! In a word it was "USLESS". I see the 800NE the same way! But of course that is not the only use for the 600,700, and 800 H&Hs, and if you have a desire for detached retinas, and have a great need for a "LOOK AT ME" toy, and you can afford it, be my guest! Let me suggest, however, if you intend takeing this cannon to Africa, you might want to make a good back pack for it, so the gun barrer, can carry it more than a mile without getting a shoulder seperation! ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} I'll spend my money on hunting buffalo, with a cheap old A&N 450/400NE 3" ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Click here for the article referring to the 800 NE: http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/adventure/stories/article/0,13285,193943,00.html [ 11-25-2002, 21:27: Message edited by: 500grains ] | |||
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I thought the 577 NE was the last step in the evolution of the too-big bore. Never heard one good word about them, all the defects mentioned earlier plus poor penetration. I read somewhere that there were actually only a handful of them made back in their heyday. | |||
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| one of us |
the 577 is a awsome cartrige and in 20+ years is the only gun butch searcy ever made for him self! i talked to him a few times and he loves this gun even ross seyfried loves this cartrige saying it will drive threw a elephants skull from any angle call butch searcy and see what he says for him self he will recomend this cartrige for a serious elephant hunter over every thing else. i am ordering a presidential grade double from him in another 2 weeks i cant wait till it comes in. if elephant is the main thing on the menu i suggest the 577 it will out penetrate the 600 and 700 nitro respectively also quoted from ross sefried. and a few other sources on the net. | |||
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quote:According to the A-Square penetration index, the 600 penetrates less than the 577, and the 700 penentrates less than the 600. But the 4 bore penetrates worse yet. That makes sense since velocity and sectional density remain about constant, but there is an increase in frontal cross sectional area on the bullet. | |||
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exactly right 500 the 577 will absolutly demo its bigger brothers the 600 and 700 are good on paper but lack in the penetration and been there done that department | |||
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| One of Us |
those MFers i emailed h&H and purdey about a sxs 8 gauge/bore and they said they coudnlt do it | |||
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| one of us |
We have our 8ga FH(.832") made for few hundred bucks, boring out heavy barreled 10ga NEFs. Good for 10,000 ft lbs.,. Got our 4bore(1") good for 17,000 plus ft lbs in present stock and in thicker stock 27,000 ft lbs plus, in a falling block. We got my 700HE good for 20,000, my 700HE long(4.3") good for 25,000, my 877HE good for 35,000 plus. My 585HE good for 12,000. My 585HSM 16000. Should we get an 800 in fancy fit, that cost as much as 20-50 guns of the above?? The Kid put slowpoke, compared to ours, 4bore slug clear through a buff. Same case as our 4bore, only in Ken Owen double. So bigger than 577 will do as good as long as bullet is made right and some speed.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Good day, Gents: I agree with all said about the .700 and the .800 and included in that group is the .750 of which there are a few photos on the double rifle section of my website (owned by an Italian fella.) However, I wish you good guys would not group the .600 in with these newly created rounds. The .600 dates from 1898-9 and has been there and done that. The newer rounds never will do so--and that includes the new .850 (which will come about as soon as the .800 sees the light of day.) Just my 2 cents. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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I would prefer they call it an 8 bore. That would give it good historical connection to the past. I guess it depends on the target customer. And without being very negative, that is about all I better say there. A brass case 8 bore, yes very cool indeed. We have the 4 bore CIP standard, if we dont have the 8 already then do it. If it is already defined then build the gun around that. IMHO. I am with Ed 100% on his point. If; they load it right, how could it not work? | |||
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I thought that H&H had built a 900 bore. With a 1000 gr bullet going 2000 fps. that is the biggest bore that I know of. I don't want to rain on anybodys parade but facts are facts | |||
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Well said, Ed.  It always comes down to bullet construction and shape (as clearly demonstrated by Michael458). many, including SAFARIKID, Robgunbuilder, RIP and of course you, have shown this to be true. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I would rather have a 8 GA FH like Ed is talking about...Call me crazy but it seems like a working mans rifle and will kick the ever living hell out of anything on this planet. But dont listen to me, im part hillbilly and I like things that make alot of noise. hell, truth be told I would be just as happy with a 12 ga FH or 10 ga FH...But I have the big bore bug and large caliber rifles make me happy! | |||
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Maybe they didn't understand your letter. | |||
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I though we were joking! For this type of a serious request I would think at minimum a phone call or best an in-person visit would be more appropriate. Now that this tid bit of internet gossip has been posted it not too late to approach both builders again. Be sure to mention your wheelbarrow full of gold bricks to finance the project  BTW, I heard on AR that H&H has a New York City outlet. That might be a first contact for a name and number in England. | |||
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I'm with Cal. Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Er ... NO! ... a 1.326" bore with 3500 grain bullet "going" 1500+ FPS ... would be the largest thus far. Photo courtesy Dr. RIP da Vinci.  | |||
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