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I did a quick search but could not find specific load information I was looking for. I have some 500gr Barnes TSX's and banded solids and some North Fork solids and softnose. Does anyone have load data for these bullets using either H4895, AA2520 or IMR4320? | ||
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78-80grs H4895 500gr TSX,a-frames,Hornady dgx and RN's,woodleigh,TBBC, and other softs I've tried, molly coated, 2250-2300fps one hole groups or about, with open sights at 100yds.Don't need to look any further,H4895 is the powder-also fills up the case just right.There is no funny stuff whatsoever with this powder.I've used it in chambers so hot they could melt the rds that slid into them. | |||
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Looked up some data from last Fall. No TSX or NF's yet. CZ 550; 23" barrel 70-80F; Oehler 35. Measurements 10' from barrel Hornady Brass; Fed 215; Accurate 2520 82.5 gr 500 Swift; 2250 FPS 84.0 gr 500 Hornady DGS; 2290 FPS (Very accurate; std dev 3) 86.0 gr 500 Hornady DGS; 2350 FPS (Heavy recoil) 86.0 gr 450 Swift; 2425 FPS Next Load Jamison Brass (65 F) 86.0 gr 450 Swift 2380 FPS | |||
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Shootaway is right, H4895 is a great powder for the TSXs in a Lott. I load 76.0gr under the 500gr TSX for a PH buddy to use, gives good velocity and accuracy in my CZ and his Trevor Proctor M98 custom. I have some of those loads for sale in the classifieds if you are interested as he is moving to a double. http://forums.accuratereloadin...751052451#8751052451 | |||
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I always got my best velocity and accuracy with IMR-4320 in the Lott. In fact its the only powder that I could get 2350 FPS with a 500 gr. bullet without much pressure. I even had one Lott that shot 2500 plus FPS (26 inch) but it was the exception and that was real max.. Actually, my favorite load for buffalo was IMR-4320 for 2150 FPS with 500 gr. North Fork softs and cup points in my Lott. After using that load I saw no need for more, and recoil was substantially less. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Guys, don't own a Lott but I did have a question. When shooting the TSX or banded solid, wouldn't it make more sense to drop down to the 450 grain bullet to get a little flatter trajectory and a little less recoil? You would still get more than enough penetration, more than most 500 grain conventional bullets. That's what I did with my .450 Dakota. Boy, does it shoot with the 450s and there is a noticeable drop in recoil. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I plan to try the 450's in my 458 Lott. A couple of others have posted regarding use of the 450's. I ran across a clearance sale on some Barnes so I bought two boxes of 500gr TSX's and Banded Solids to try. | |||
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Hope you got the flat-nosed solids. We want tail-to-sternum follow-up shots to penetrate dead-straight. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I am a firm believer in heavy for caliber bullets in big bores and that includes the Monolithics..If I want to shoot 450 gr. bullets then I will shoot the 416 or 404 with the 450 gr. Woodleighs. I really like the 550 gr. Woodleighs in the Lott btw, but the 500 gr. Barnes, NO. Forks, and GS Customs work well on buffalo..The North Forks as I recall were a tad lighter at about 480 at least I am thinking they were. I am a big beliver in long heavy bullets and Sectional Density. I am sure thats argueable, but that has been my experience on Buffalo, Hippo and elephant. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I've been comparing the load data in Barnes reloading manuals #3 & #4 and there seems to be a huge discrepancy in loads with H4895. The #3 Barnes manual lists the max load for H4895 and the 500 gr. X bullet as 79 grains for 2323 fps. Barnes manual #4 lists the max load for H4895 and the 500 gr. TSX as 70 grains for 2056 fps and a load density of 105%  I realize that the two bullets aren't exactly the same, but the only real difference that I'm aware of is the grooves cut into the triple shock that are supposed to reduce pressure and increase velocity.Manual #3 does not list a seating depth or C.O.A.L. whereas #4 does list a C.O.A.L. OF 3.6", so while some of the differnce in data could be seating depth...a 9 grain differential with the same powder just seems like a lot (no pun intended) of difference. | |||
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I believe all of the newer versions of load data are very conservative relative to older versions. Probably having to conform to the limitations of vintage firearms and legal actions.
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I have the Barnes #3 manuel and looked up the data in #4 several months ago. I called Barnes and asked one of the technicians about the differences and he basically said that #4 data was done with saami specs with their attorneys on the range supervising. He advised using a chronograph and work up slowly based on #3 and realize what velocity vs pressure was reasonable for the respective caliber/bullet combination. That's what I have been doing to work up loads with the TSX's and banded solids. | |||
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BTW,using the 450 gr. bullet in a elephant and buffalo rifle and thinking you flatten the trajectory is a bit misleading in the the trajectory of a 458 500 gr. bullet to a buffalo at 40 yards or a elephant at 10 yards is not much of a reason to give up 50 grs. Not even at 100 yards. The only powder I used in my .458 Lott was IMR-4320, its mild of pressure and gets you the best velocity..I shot the 500 gr. bullets at 2350 FPS, but recoil was extreme IMO, so I loaded it down to about 2200 FPS or less and recoil became tolarable and it killed very well indeed, and pressure was way down there. It was a really nice gun at 2200 FPS and killed plenty well. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, Those are valid statements in your post if you are specifically hunting Buffalo or Elephant. If you happen to have a mixed bag hunt and were hunting Buffalo and you happen to get a shot at a plains game animal on your bag list at 100-150 yards the flatter trajectory might take a little of the guess work out of the equation. Perhaps another benefit of the 450gr is the ability to drive them at about 2300 & 2400 FPS respectively from a 458 WM and Lott. I have read many times on this forum that 2400 is a velocity that begins the threshold in delivering greater "shock" which is a element of note when shooting cats according to the experts. Elephants withstanding, A Lott with a 450 gr bullet @ 2400 FPS makes a pretty versatile weapon. Not unlike a 416 ( Ruger, Remington, Rigby) only larger and makes a little less recoil than with 500 grains. | |||
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 This isn't a TSX but I've found loads for other bullets are usually pretty close to what a TSX likes. | |||
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eezridr, I don't doubt the legitamacy of your post at all, but I just don't think it would be my choice..I know the 450 gr. would work as well as the 500s , espeially in the monolithics. I love those 550 gr. Woodleighs in the 3" Lott. The Lott is very capable up to 200 yards on game with any bullet. I am not sure the 450 would extend that much trajectory over the 500 however in that you could hold on shoulder line and drop one it with both with the same hold...but whatever route you take its only a slight trade off either way, and I'm sure both would work on Buffalo under all conditions where I suppose you could get away with saying your basically a bit overpowered anyway. The other thing is I always have my tracker or water boy pack my scoped 338, 9.3x62 or 375 when hunting buffalo for just the reason you mention. In those instances wherein I decided to pack only one rifle on a trip and that was almost always my 416 Rem that shoots the 350, 400,and 450 gr. bullets to the same POI, and it shoots real flat with those 350 gr. bullets at 2600 FPS. about like my 30-06 or 308..Its a handy one gun Safari rifle. It is quite a plainsgame rifle with 300 gr. monolithics also, but in my gun the 300 shoot about 5 inches high. Let me know how those 450s work in penetration, I suspect they will have plenty as monolithics make up for weight with penetration.. I have seen many 500 gr. Barnes X used on Buffalo and they are great and penetrate like the dickens, About the perfect buffalo medicine. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, I tinkering with the 45 calibers, but like you I will carry a 416 Remington as a all around gun. Mine likes the 370 NF's at about 2520. EZ
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