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I want to try these in the .416 Ruger what velocity can I expect ? And what load data exists or what powder/charge should I begin with. I have decided that with this bullet the .416 Ruger can kind of do the job of a .338 win mag style of gun. Heavy pills in .416 to be used in the .416 Rigby Cheers pc | ||
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I don't own a .416 Ruger, but I have found that an email to CEB will result in a very informative response. You might give them a try... Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Thank you I will do that. | |||
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PC This is an incredible bullet for 416 rifles. It has so much potential. I used it in my 18 inch 416 B&M in Australia in September, on cow buffalo, some pretty large ones, and it did a great job on that, some broadsides even exiting, and you can't ask more than that. Where I believe it is at its best is with thin skinned game, including any DG..... I also shot a few pigs with it, and it was DRT devastating there. For 416 Ruger, Ken at CEB, or Coloradoyaler here on AR might can help you. I was getting 2900 fps in my 416 B&M, 18 inch barrel. Whatever load Coloradoyaler is using, he has a 416 Ruger in a BLR lever gun, he is getting over 3000 fps and incredible accuracy at longer ranges. Here is a thread below about the BLR and the bullet; http://forums.accuratereloadin...8721043/m/1631046091 Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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My bolt action .416 Ruger has a 21" Barrel. I think this is the bullet I will shoot in it Michael, I will leave the heavy .416 pills for my .416 Rigby. I was thinking of re-barrelling to .338 win mag but read about this pill and thoought well this bullet almost makes a .416 Ruger similar to a .338 in many respects. I think 3100 fps MIGHT be possible I was thinkng 87gr of Varget behind the 225 gr CEB Thankyou. | |||
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PC.... I don't know what powder Colorado is using, or What Ken suggested. I would look at what is driving 300 gr bullets in 416 Ruger, maybe a 300 Barnes, start at near top end of that, and work from there. Varget seems a bit slow for this. Normally with lighter bullets, you get your best results with some faster powders. I swear, its hard to beat RL 7 and H-4198 for these applications. These are the powders I use in the B&Ms for the lighter bullets, and was the most successful for lighter bullets in my recent study of 458 Lott and 458 Win. Soon I will be looking at the 225 in 416 Remington, and I intend to fall right in again with H-4198 and RL 7. Varget may do, I just don't honestly know, but seems a bit on the slow side for this, and of course I know crap about the 416 Ruger case. Again, check what is listed for 300 gr bullets, and start with those, work up..... Weight equals pressures, so you are dropping a lot of weight, near top end charges with 300s will be low pressures with 225s..... Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Thanks Michael, Ken sent me some quick load data and it seems varget is too slow.....Hodgen 4198 which is actually AR2207 in our country seems like the powder to use. Another we have is AR2206H which is slightly faster than Varget. Hodgen H322 looks to be really good but we don't have an equivalent for that in Australia I don't think. Cheers pc | |||
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PC... I am sorry, I neglected to see you were in Australia..... If you can get something along the lines of H-4198 you will be best served with that. Keep us posted on your progress.......... Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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PC, The ADI website lists AR2219 as burning equivalent to H322 so you might give it a try. I should mention the Accurate Powders website lists H322 as slightly faster than AR2219. And finally the Hodgdon website doesn't list AR2219, but it does list VV N120 at #73, H322 ay #74, and AR 2015BR at #75. Somewhat of a crap shoot but perhaps AR2219 or AR2015BR will get you into the H322 ballpark... Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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I have had great success with the 225 CEB in my 416 Ruger using Win748, it you can find that or an equivalent | |||
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Thanks for all the help folks. Looks like these will be excellent pills Kala_azar are you not using the tips in your bullets ? How does the ESP Raptor differ it is 300 gr in weight can that be used in the .416 Ruger with the tip attached ? that bullet would have a high BC I would have thought. cheers pc | |||
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kala.azar...... Ever get a velocity on that load with 748??? You know, I think 748 is too slow for that, maybe? I have some 416 Remingtons loaded up now with the 225s, first generation test loads, H-4198, RL 7 and H-322..... I think whatever works in 416 Rem, will do the same in 416 Rug.... Maybe not exact amounts, but overall performance..... Will be testing those this week sometime with pressures.... PC...... All the ESP Raptors are different birds.... While they may be light in weight, you cannot under any circumstances treat those like you might other bullets, first, very deep seated in the case, with the HP up, so they can be loaded in the magazine, Talon Tip installed. With the #13 Solid DOWN, inside the case, if you compress TOO MUCH, then the #13 Nose Profile pushes on the side of the case, causing a bulge, and of course chambering issues then. I was not a fan of the ESP Raptor in the big bores, especially to begin with, but a few are beginning to grow on me, one being this 300 gr ESP in 416 caliber. This bullet, while it cannot attain velocities as fast as normal 300 gr .416s, because of the factors listed above, it is more than enough to do a hammer of a job on even buffalo!!!!! I used some of these on Australian cow buffalo this past September, with excellent results, some of these cows being very large, and getting full penetration exits on all broadsides. I was only running them 2450 fps in an 18 inch 458 B&M, which matched POI with the 225s at 2900 fps. A good bullet, but one really must understand how to work with them in some of the big bores...... These .416 300 ESPs need to be loaded and treated like a bigger bullet as well when concerning powders.... Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Thanks Michael I want to hunt some buff at some point. Another pill that looks interesting is the .577 700 gr raptor. This would be good in the .585 nyati. Also Michael what is the best weight in .510 cal ? I shot a medium to large boar with my .500 A2 front on with a woodleigh 570gr RN and did not get an exit. I was wondering about the CEB 530gr raptor I imagine it would give better penetration than the 570gr woodleigh at 2240 fps | |||
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PC.... The 350 gr #13 HP in .510 caliber will out penetrate and do more damage than a Woodleigh soft of any weight in caliber. I tested these at 3007 fps at 48 yd impact of 2848 fps and got 22 inches of penetration, well into buffalo territory. The 535 Woodleigh Soft at 2240 fps 14 inches of penetration, 600 Woodleigh Soft at 2250 fps 20 inches maximum. Mind you, a 350 gr #13 HP Raptor...... Testing the 535 #13 Raptors at 2363 fps 22 yards 29-30 inches. But what I would do today in .510 caliber is the 475 gr HP Raptor that Sam had made up last year, 2012, for his 500 Nitro and Australian buffalo. It was devastating and out performed the 535s. Of course, Sam had the 475 Tipped, and the 535s were not, and this made a difference in impact velocity, and also in terminal performance. Looking at my terminal data, I can't find where I tested the 475 at high velocity, 2300+++, in an A2 you can easy run 2500+ I am sure of it. I did test at low velocity, in a 51 Alaskan single shot I have at 1684 fps at 48 yards 1557 fps Impact got 23 inches of penetration. This could easy go to 28-32 inches at higher velocity I think...... In 2012 I changed the width of the cavity making it a little larger for better low velocity shear in all the .500s and .510s. M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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