Mark, I've had fantastic accuracy with 270 gr. Winchester Fail-Safes in my .375 H&H. In fact, this is one of the most accurate hunting bullets I've ever fired through any rifle, and it's really dependable on game.

One of my friends is in tight with a former Winchester Ammunition engineer who played a big hand in the development of the F-S bullet. As such, he was able to take pre-production samples of the F-S bullet (270 gr. and 300 gr.) in .375 H&H to Africa for testing before this bullet was released. He found that the 270 gr. F-S would routinely shoot clear thru cape buffalo from just about any angle, open with absolute consistency, and it killed like a lightning bolt. It was the general impression that it killed quicker than the 300 gr. F-S, and penetrated just as well from a practical standpoint. It retains MORE weight than most conventional 300 gr. .375 bullets, so it really starts to break new ground and begins to chip away at conventional bullet thinking.

The 270 gr. Swift shoots very well in my rifle, but not as good as the F-S, and I haven't hunted with it yet. I doubt that it'll prove disappointing, though, when the time comes.

If you can, obtain samples of each and see which one shoots best in your own rifle. That's about all you can go by that means anything. I do believe you'd be extremely well-covered with either one of them............

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I will have to say that overall it depends on whether you are a man who reloads just to hunt or whether you are a hopeless reloading nut. If you reload to hunt, find one 300 or really hard 270 gr load and quit. If you are a reloading nut ( I unfortunately fall into the latter category), you will want a load for all occasions. You do need to do a lot more adjusting of scope or have a rifle that will shoot a lot of loads to the same POI. Mine splits the difference. The 270 and 300 will go to almost exactly the same POI at 100. Now if I want to go for ultra speed I can get a 200 gr barnes X out at 3000 from a 21 inch barrel, but different POI by about 5 inches. I haven't used that one on game yet. I have a 200 gr deer load that works well and has same POI as my 270's. The 270 is enough for anything but buffalo and it certainly can be used on them too. Be careful and pick your shots though. I do agree that the new 270 FS and Barnes tsx may give you better performance than lots of 300 grainers. There have been rumors that the FS and barnes X fail to open on occasion. I have not seen this personally with the FS but then I have not used it much. I think I had a X not open in 30-06 once. Not sure. Never did find that deer.
As to accuracy of the SAF, of course all rifles are a world unto themselves, but mine loves those 270 gr SAFs. Mine usually shoots under a MOA if the operator is having a good day. My best group with it was 3 shots in .405 inches. I cannot repeat that group on command however. 270 gr SAF is my go to load for all except buffalo though I am going to give the TSX a try this fall. Good hunting. "D"

My M70 likes the Nosler 260 grain Accubond bullets. They really flatten out the trajectory of the 375. I haven't tried them on game yet, but I they are probably good for everything except the really big and nast stuff.

I tried Federal 260 Nosler AccuBond, Federal 300 TBBC, Federal 270 SP, and Winchester 270 Fail-safes in my Rem 700 BDL/SS. The 260 AccuBond performed the best with 1" groups all day/every day in any kind of weather. My handloads did not improve significantly over the factory loads, so I took factory's to Namibia this past July. Shot 13 animals and only recovered 2 bullets from my Blue Wildebeest. I left them at the ranch for the PH's to try on eland. I also plan to shoot them again this year for elk and black bear here in Idaho; but only 'cause I want to.

JBM,

Yes, it's just much simpler to stick with one load. Of course for some game it will be too much and for others may be a tad light, depending on what you opt for. Ideally you may want to consider what's the largest critter you will use it for and load for that. Hence everything below that is a non-issue.

The .375 with a good 300gr will do just about anything you could ask of a rifle anywhere on earth. Yes the 270's or 260's may shoot a couple inches flatter at extended ranges, but then again if you learn the trajectory of that 300gr and train with the rifle and load you'll be right on. At practical ranges you're only talking a few inches difference at most distances within reason. Now on a prarie dog that's alot, but I'm talking deer and above in game size...

458rugerNo1
I have to agree with your "one gun, one load" philosophy and thanks for bringing it to my attention, as I have been trying to get all bullets made in the diameter for that rifle to shoot well. That is fun to do, finding a load for every weight bullet in that diameter. But your "one gun, one load" philosophy is probably the best way to go, as my way just gets too confusing in the end. I know my rifle likes to be fed 300gr., don't force the 210 stuff on it and anyway a 300gr will take care of all from squirrel to elephant. I have loaded my .458 with 250 to 600 gr bullets and now wish I would just stick with the 450 or 500gr. I did find some nice deer loads with 350gr bullets and some nice 450 & 500gr loads for the big stuff.

Haupt,

Wow, not sure I've heard of that - way over my head and quite technical, but perhaps some of our more scientific and/or experienced brothers here can help us on that one (breaking in a barrel with the bullet you choose to use??).

Though I know if Elmer Keith were still around he'd have the answer for us...

I have shot the .375 H&H Magnum for about 12 or 13 years and even though I may not have much experience compared to others with the caliber I'll put my two cents worth in. It's one hell of an all-around big game gun. When you have it in your hands stomping around the woods lookings for elk, moose, caribou, or grizzly you will feel comfortable with it in your hands. Years ago I was looking for a flat shooting bullet for long range and came up with a 200 grain flat nose. It was the only "light" bullet I could find. I used IMR 4350 with 83.3 grans for 2900 FPS. I zeroed it dead on at 100 yards. -.1.3 at 150 yards, -4.3 at 200 yards, -9.35 at 250 yards, and -16.86 at 300 yards. I can't remember which company made the flat nose bullets. But I shot a 7X7 bull elk at three hundred yards (give or take 10 yards) and found the mushroomed bullet inside the ribs on the opposite side. When hit the bullet shook like he was trying to shake off a horse fly and about a second later he stunbled backwards and dropped. I shot a medium sized cow with the same bullet with the exact same results. This was out of a Model 70 Winchester Express with a composite stock. A 200 yard zero may be preferred for flatter trajectory but at the time I wanted the 100 yard zero. My new .375 H&H is NOT having a synthetic stock as my tired ole bones need all the cushioning they can get. And more than likely its going to be stuffed with the reliable Nosler Partitions in 300 grain for everything. I'll leave the long range shooting (300 yards and out) to the other guns. Good shooting! Mike

JBM,
I have been using the 235gr Speer in my M70 with H4895 for my lite load with good results. Safari load was 300gr African Grand Slam but it was too soft for buff, worked well on plains game from nyala to eland. Will probably use Partitions or NorthForks next time.
Russ

I USE 270GR IN THE CORDILLERA DE LOS ANDES FOR RED STAG AND SOLIDS FMJ 300 GRAINS FOR WATER BUFALOS.JUAN

Rancher-I've to date only shot chucks and yotes with the bullet, that was my concern (it being soft) if Iw as to use it for come what may for big game.



Being as they are a bit cheaper than the SAF and the FS I am kind of thinking of using them for plinking and yotes and such and then switching to the hard guys for serious work.



Thx for your time



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I am also gonna get my hands on some of the Barnes TS and if they work then my questions and search is over...

Hi Mark,
I haven't shot any heavy game with the Hornady 270 grain spitzer but I have shot quite a few hogs and coyotes.. And I can tell you they are too fragile, IMO. They would not give complete penetration on 200+ pound hogs with broadside shots. They also tear coyotes up, not a big game bullet. I have shot both the SAF and the Barnes X on deer and hogs, they kill and penetrate like you would expect. FWIW..

Allen-we both know that all guns like different bullet but...if you were pressed to guess between the 270 SAF and the 270 FS which would you guess would be the more accurate head? I've a pre m70 with a very acurate Schneider on it in 375 Wby and I am trying to get it set for some work this fall. Bruin season here starts in less than a month now..grins



The FS I shot in my 340 shot incredibly well and worked great on chucks/lopes and elk.



I've not had stellar accuracy from the SAF except for one gun I shot them in.



As always your thoughts and input are appreciated!



THX



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Also have you used the Horn 270 for game and also the 300 Sierra? If so your thoughts would be appreciated as well.



Oh and one last thing I've 100 of the old Bitterroots in 270 that I am saving for a very special day.

Rancher,
have you used the 270 spire points? how would they do on hogs?
also, has anyone used the PMC Gold Ammunition 375 H&H Magnum 270 or 300 Grain Barnes XLC Hollow Points?

Mark , have you shot any of the .375 Accubonds ?



I can't see any reason why they shouldn't be plenty of bullet for stateside hunting ?

SD-yep I've shot the Accu's in my rifle they shoot extremely well. For no reason other than my own thought process I feel I want a harder bullet for serious elk hunting. I can't justify it and I have no proof but I kind of sense that the Accu's are not gonna be as hard as I would prefer. One last kind of weird reason forme not wanting to use them in my 375 is that I have those loaded in my 340 and the darn 340 and the 375 Wby look so close the same that I don't like having that same color tip in both of them. Kind of silly I know but that is the way I am. It kind of honks me off that Nozler couldn't of found a different way of color coding those bullets like they did their BT's.



Allen--thx for your reply, I'll get my paws on some of the FS first. They shot incredibly well in my 340, and I kind of expect the same out of the 375.



I also have some of the Barnes 270 TS coming my way, I kind of feel that could be a good bullet.



Thx for your time guys, have a great Friday the 13th.



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