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What does yours weigh? My marlin cowboy with 26 inch barrel weighs 8.5 pounds and my 1886 with 32 inch barrel weighs 10 pounds. | |||
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My 1886 .45-90 weighs 9.5 pounds:  NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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I had a box full from a gun show buy. A 71 would be a better choice, larger action. Lots of work on the Marlin for the big cartridge and to make it feed. But it feeds great, even upside down. I have used 348 Win cases in the past, expanded to 50. The shortened 500 Nitro gives me more case wall thickness at the mouth, that 348 case gets real thin when expanded. The barrel is large in diameter for weight, I had to mill a groove for the magazine tube. The Marlin was a huge amount of work, really not worth all the manhours expended. I did all this all more than 20 years ago. Gave the rifle to the gent that paid for the parts and never looked back. I would like to do another project using a 71. Can get more COL and approach the powder capacity for over 6000 ft/lbs. However, I am 71 years old and my interests now mainly include boats and fishing. So the chances of me doing another gun project are very slim. Way back when Howard Johnson was building his 50 Alaskans, he used BMG bullets cut down and reversed. He reported many complete pass throughs by the big flat nosed bullets. A nasty big bear gun! | |||
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I have not hunted dangerous game with it but I have no doubt that the .405 Grenadier would be up to the task, less pachyderms. A simple Marlin 1895 rebarreling job is all it takes. With sectional density of 0.338 the 400gr Woodleigh .411" bullets in soft and/or solid would be my choice. http://forums.nitroexpress.com...gbores&Number=304898  . | |||
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"With sectional density of 0.338 the 400gr Woodleigh .411" bullets in soft and/or solid would be my choice. " My .405 WCF likes those 400 grain Woodies also.  NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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The woodlegh 400’s are great but for dangerous game?I would not use them unless they are driven to yield about 4000 ftlbs of energy. DRSS | |||
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Browning BLR in .300 Win. Mag. Rebarrel to .458 WM, or .416 Taylor. I renember a Guns&Ammo article many years ago about doing that conversion on a Browning BAR. Don't see how it wouldn't work for the BLR. | |||
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If you shoot enough of them not only do the screws back out but the parts that retain the magazine assembly to the barrel get beaten up and eventually fail. Under recoil they are being pounded by what effectively is a slide hammer. When this eventually happened to mine I tried peening the deformed dovetails back over but that didn't work for long and in end had the parts silver soldered in place. Now it does not move. The 1886 and 71 models are just as bad or even worse than the Marlins. There are many stories of problems with magazines coming apart on 71's when they are chambered for bigbore wildcats. You really need to beef up this area as well as relieve the buttstock to provide sufficient clearance for the tang under recoil, just like on bigbore bolt guns. When I had a B-71 converted to 45/90 I had the fine threads turned off the magazine tube so it became a slip fit. I then had a dovetail cut into the barrel to install a Marlin magazine tube stud. The original forend tip tenon and the new magazine tube stud were both silver soldered in place and to date neither part has even looked like moving. | |||
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Harold Johnson was the creator of the 450 & 50 Alaskan,if you ever get to handle one of his conversions you will see how a competent gunsmith does the job,I have several of the win 71's,475/348,450/348,416/348,35/348,348 improved,all are conversions except the 348 improved,I also shoot a couple of 1886's in 45-90 & 45-70,I have shot hundreds of rounds through these guns,some that would shake your fillings loose & on occasion I have had lever lock up when I went too far,but I have never experienced anything coming loose or magazines coming apart,yes I have heard of some problems,I would attribute that to lousy gunsmithing & budget hack job conversions,Marlins are decent guns,but they are not comparable to the win 71's or the 1886's,they are not in the same league & never will be. DRSS | |||
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To clarify, my comments were only in relation to the magazine retention systems between the different models. The 1886 models utilise a number of different types across the model range, with some better than others for handling recoil. However the 71 uses one system, which is perfectly adequate for the 348, but in stock form is not really suited to heavy recoiling cartridges. I am sure Harold Johnson knew what he was doing and employed techniques to beef up the magazine retention on his powerful conversions. What needs to be done can be done by subtle changes and, if done this way, would probably go unnoticed by most punters. | |||
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Hello Woodhunter: When chambering the 50, what did you do about the relatively small barrel tenon thread in the Marlin? Dave Manson | |||
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IMO, a 45 caliber DG rifle should shoot a 500 gr. bullet..getting high velocity with 458 calibers by using 400 gr. bullets is a mistake from what Ive seen, but to each his own, but I believe one is chasing his tail in doing so...A 458 with a 500 gr. bullet at 2000 FPS at the muzzle is IMO a definite killer of all that walks and every 50 FPS past that is even better..50 FPS ain't much in light bullets and calibers but it enormous in a 500 gr. bullet at 2000 FPS..Ideal for DG is a 500 gr. bullet at 2150 give or take 50 FPS..as are 400 gr. bullets in a 40 caliber.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have the perfect big bore (questionable that the 9.3 can qualify as a big bore with some folks and can't argue that, but it pases as a DG rifle IMO)in mind and I intend to build one. It will be one of the new Win. mod 95s SRCs in 30-06 if I can find one. It will be rebored to the 9.3x62, it will wear a Lyman 21 sliding peep and wear a NECG gold faced partridge post front sight..I will stay with the straigt carbine stock design, but with custom wood to a recoil pad at 13-7/8" LOP, but keep the old stock for looks! I sold the last 95 I had and that was a mistake. This new one should be a saddle gun for elk and deer, maybe it'll make it to Africa one more time, we will see. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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ray, sounds like s fun project, so please report back when you get it done. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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Ray, I think that has already been done with good results,BTW,I am shooting 480 gr woodleighs shaved flat from one of my 450 Alaskans,& my last load gave me 1900 fps about 10 ft from the muzzle,can probably tweak it a bit more,the lever seemed fine. DRSS | |||
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The 95 in 9,3x62 should perform well. For a long while I've had my eye out for a Finnish Moose killer - a Russian 7.62x54R M95 converted to 9.3x53R. Supposedly there is one being used on sambar in Victoria Formerly Gun Barrel Ecologist | |||
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There have been a number of 95's converted to 35 Whelen, 9.3x62 and 375 Whelen. The magazine of the 405's would likely accommodate the 375 Ruger case without much tweaking. I haven't heard of one but taking a 95 in 405 and reaming the chamber to create a 405 Ruger would make a decent big bore thumper. | |||
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Per JFE No argument from me, but I think the .405 WCF is already a "decent big bore thumper" without converting to a 9 x ?? or such. 300 grain bullets at 2250 fps MV & 400 grain bullets at 2076 fps MV The 300 grain bullets can be pushed well over 2300 fps and with modern bullets they already shoot through big stuff like Asian water buffalo. See North Fork site for pix of mine. Again, no argument that more velocity and energy are nice, but the .405 can equal the 450/400 already, so why do any conversions? NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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The North Fork 330 gr CPS look like a serious pill in the 405 for heavy game. All the same a 405 Ruger would give it a bit more power at lower pressure. | |||
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+1 for NF bullets. They are a favorite for big tough stuff, but I do not waste them on hogs and medium game. ??? When you reference a .405 Ruger, do you mean the Ruger #1 rifle chambered for .405 WCF or do you mean a cartridge named .405 Ruger? If you speak of such a cartridge, please tell me where I can learn about it. Thanks, CRS NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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There is no "405 Ruger" as far as I know. It's just an idea. Whether it was a feasible conversion would require further investigation.
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JFE, Oopsie - I misread your earlier post. Sorry for the mistake and thank you for correcting me. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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