I don't remember the largest caliber in the M/S. It may have been a 10.xx MM. This would be prior to the start up following WWII. TIA

Probably 8x68S according to this 1958 advertisement.

Funny how they screwed up the muzzle energy numbers on that .458 Win.,
but they got the velocities correct for the 510-grain and 500-grain bullets????

Rip ...

Oops. They made a boo-boo. Should be ~5000 ft-lbs.

MSRP for the Winchester M70 African in 1958, according to GUN DIGEST, was $295.
$3 cheaper than a Mannlicher Magnum in .458 Win.

4sixteen,
I am going to copy your post to the ".458 Win." thread.
Thank you.

Rip ...

Comprehension on AR is not a strong suit !

The Question be like before the 1950's the answer as always something else other than before the 50's or off course lets talk about another brand of rifle altogether......... No I did not but I did sleep in a Holiday inn last night !

Actually the MS story has a distinct pre USA offering and post USA model era !
The latter era had all the "american calibers" on offer like 338 Win, 458 etc
The pre USA offering era was strictly euro with 9.5 and 10.75 x 68 the largest offerings ( Model 1925 )

Thank you ALF!

4sixteen was just working his way backwards in time, until you beat him to it.

10.75x68mm it is then ...
... and some more material for THE MISSION, thanks to 4sixteen.

I have no interest in the M-S, but Ernest Hemingway sure thought they were dandy rifles,
especially in 6.5x54mm.
He even had Mr. Macomber killed with one, by Mrs. Macomber.
Surely we have the M-S carbines and rifles to thank for the rotary magazines on our Ruger 10/22s and such.

Rip ...

10.75 X 68 it was. Couldn't think of which case it was. Thanks guys. Packy

Just came across this in the 1991-No.82 SHOOTER'S BIBLE, article by the reliable scholar Sam Fadala,
"Mannlicher-Schoenauer: Rifle for Adventurers" pp. 30-37:

"Chamberings for the original-style Mannlicher rifles numbered as many as 30, including the following:

Pre-WWI:
6.5mm
8mm
9mm
9.5mm

1917-1939:
7x57 Mauser
7x64 Brenneke
30-06 Springfield
8x60mm
9.3x62mm Mauser
10.75x68mm

Post-WWII:
243 Win.
257 Roberts
257 Weath. Mag.
6.5x68mm
264 Win. Mag.
270 Win.
308 Win.
8x68S
338 Win.
458 Win. Mag.
30-06
6.5x54mm"

Only the 22 chamberings above were listed. Apparently there were more ...

Rip ...

I have a 1910 MS in 9.5x57 that probably belonged to Osa and Martin Johnson. I've been told that a picture exists of Osa and a lion taken with the
9.5. If I can authenticate this ownership, I will leave the rifle to the Johnson museum.

My 1939 Shooter's Bible has Mannlicher Schoenauer information. I'd scan it but it would require damaging the binding to flatten it on the screen, so I'll just tell you that in 1939 which was based on information as of 1938, the largest cartridge listed was the 10.75x68mm.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Just came across this in the 1991-No.82 SHOOTER'S BIBLE, article by the reliable scholar Sam Fadala,
"Mannlicher-Schoenauer: Rifle for Adventurers" pp. 30-37:

"Chamberings for the original-style Mannlicher rifles numbered as many as 30, including the following:

Pre-WWI:
6.5mm
8mm
9mm
9.5mm

1917-1939:
7x57 Mauser
7x64 Brenneke
30-06 Springfield
8x60mm
9.3x62mm Mauser
10.75x68mm

Post-WWII:
243 Win.
257 Roberts
257 Weath. Mag.
6.5x68mm
264 Win. Mag.
270 Win.
308 Win.
8x68S
338 Win.
458 Win. Mag.
30-06
6.5x54mm"

Only the 22 chamberings above were listed. Apparently there were more ...

Rip ...

you left off 358 WCF

Rip is not the MS scholar. Sam Fadala left it off, same for 9x57mm apparently.
He said it was only a partial list, as stated above.

Rip ...

1953 Shooters Bible lists 257 r, 270 W, 30-06, 9.3x62mm, 6.5x54, 7x57mm, Compared to pre-war cartridge selection, it was very much Americanized. the metric cartridges were not listed in the bolt print near the rifle drawings.

1939 & 1953 covers of Shooter's Bible. Source of the info on Mannlicher Schoenauer carbine/rifles of the day. As noted, I'd have scanned the actual pages but the paperbacks weren't up to the bending

I paid a bit more than that for my MS in .458. Real pretty, but trigger guard raps the back of your trigger finger with each shot. Not any harder than the nuns used to with their yardsticks, but after 20 or so it starts to hurt.

quote:

but trigger guard raps the back of your trigger finger with each shot.

Get one of those little soft rubber add-on that fits behind the trigger guard. A shotgun pro shop will have them.

https://www.hastingsdistributi...=product_detail&p=50

Biebs, thanks for the tip. Now I just need to replace that old S&B with the German #4 with a scope that: 1) fits the claw mount; and 2) has a decent aiming point.

Very cool indeed if so....

quote:

Originally posted by Patrick Stoll:
I have a 1910 MS in 9.5x57 that probably belonged to Osa and Martin Johnson. I've been told that a picture exists of Osa and a lion taken with the
9.5. If I can authenticate this ownership, I will leave the rifle to the Johnson museum.

I will be looking for a 10.75 or 9.5 I can afford. That last part is the catch. Packy

Excerpt for book review purposes:



Two great articles about the MS are in the 1997 Gun Digest. The articles are by Sam Fadala and Don L. Henry.
Above table is from the latter author ("Cartridges for the MANNLICHER-SCHOENAUER")
who is more precise than the former ("Romance of the Mannlicher-Schoenhauer").
You can get the 1944-2015 issues of GUN DIGEST as pdf's on disc.
I have that and also 28 volumes as paper, including 1997.
Book review of 1997 edition: Excellent book.
It includes an article by Edward R. Crews: "The Guns of Jamestown."
My Irish peasant ancestor Johan Berry arrived there with the first boatload that survived, 1607.
That is according to my Pop's genealogical research.
My proclivity for guns here in the New World might have started there, manifesting with matchlock usage.
It is genetic. Either you got that gene or you didn't.

Rip ...

RIP- that's interesting that your ancestors came to the "new world" in 1607. Being the recipient of the genes of several grandparents of grandparents they span the spectrum on my dad's side from German immigrants about the time of the American Civil War, and on my mother's side they were friends of William Penn and got a land grant in what became Harrisburg, PA. their surname was Harris. While that and $5 will get you a cup of plain coffee at a Starbucks, it is interesting to compare what I call the natural interests held by people that have ancestors that were risk takers to those that are risk aversion, wondering if there is a genetic code hidden in everyone's cells that provides a disposition to this or that activity.

Ray B,
No doubt there is both nature and nurture affecting risk taking. Want to and like to versus do it or die!
On my Mother's side, the Porters were royalists who had to flee England to Ireland in the mid 1600's after King Charles the First was beheaded by his subjects.
Eventually the Porter clan drifted to Virginia by the early 1700's.
I am a Son of the American Revolution by relation to John Porter Jr., who was no resurrected royalist. He fled no more, fought King George.
I probably got the flintlock-appreciation gene from my Mom's side.
The Mannlicher-Schoenhauer rifle in any of those 30 chamberings is cool,
especially that .458 WIN, offered from 1958 to 1969.
Ah cain't heppit, just born that way.
Thanks be to Johan and John, my Many-Greats Grandpops.

Rip ...

Military and probably pre-World War I rifles used traditional three-position safeties that blocked rifle's striker. When did Steyr (SP??) change from striker safety to more convenient trigger- or sear-blocking side safety? Is there an accepted serial number or model stamp that delineates the change?

quote:

Originally posted by admiral:

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Just came across this in the 1991-No.82 SHOOTER'S BIBLE, article by the reliable scholar Sam Fadala,
"Mannlicher-Schoenauer: Rifle for Adventurers" pp. 30-37:

"Chamberings for the original-style Mannlicher rifles numbered as many as 30, including the following:

Pre-WWI:
6.5mm
8mm
9mm
9.5mm

1917-1939:
7x57 Mauser
7x64 Brenneke
30-06 Springfield
8x60mm
9.3x62mm Mauser
10.75x68mm

Post-WWII:
243 Win.
257 Roberts
257 Weath. Mag.
6.5x68mm
264 Win. Mag.
270 Win.
308 Win.
8x68S
338 Win.
458 Win. Mag.
30-06
6.5x54mm"

Only the 22 chamberings above were listed. Apparently there were more ...

Rip ...

you left off 358 WCF

RIP

Thanks for the info. Wonder when my .458 was built and who owned it. It clearly hasn't been hunted much.