Does anyone think this double would work out.I am looking for a double to shoot. If it ever got used for DG it would only be leoppard. He says it was set up for breneke slugs? I want one but dont think ill be able to go more than $3k for quite a bit. Been looking over the kodiak V but not as crazy about hammers.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976389522.htm

Seems to be pretty cheap. That causes concern with me because as the old saying goes, you get what you pay for. A 12 bore BP would be fun though, I think, if it is in proper working order. Remember the 12 bore BP rifle is the equivalent of our modern 12 gauge slug gun, well almost. The 12 bore rifle will shoot a heavier slug at a lower velocity, but deliver roughly the same muzzle energy as the modern 12 gauge slug.

Hey, IF it is in proper working order, I say buy it and have yourself a ball.

Ross Seyfried has an excellent article on 12 bore rifles in the latest issue of Rifle.

As I read it, a DGR it is not.

Looks like a fun gun and at a attractive price for deer and such like. If it shoots.

Don't worry about hammers. I started shooting only hammered double shotguns and still like using them. They are very traditional.

PS Is that a converted shotgun?

[ 10-11-2003, 19:25: Message edited by: NitroX ]

Never heard of a leopard that couldn't be absolutely flattened by a 12-bore double rifle!

Maybe its sleeved...? Even so, sounds like a bargain to me. Marvellous fun!

...and a sidelock!!! I know what I'd do!

I called on it three days ago ...it was sold.

I just had to buy the .500 cogwell and Harison he had

Urdubob

JMO, but perhaps a Cape Gun would be more useful on cats. They are readily available, many of high quality, and get to the point. Mine is Belgian, 12Ga/.405 Win. Exposed hammers are not a liability.

Sold oh well Ill keep looking. Thanks
Dean

I might sound like a heretic here but 12 bore double rifles (Explora) have been used to take all of India's big game in the past including tiger, lion and elephant. That said, more powerful guns took over everywhere including in India and I wouldn't know how old and in what condition the old guns that are indeed available today are. I saw a pair of 12 bore hammer rifles by Thomas Bland in a shop in Bombay some years ago and was utterly captivated by them - they had been well cared for and I wish I could buy them some day!

Hobie,

I just posted on your thread. I could e-mail you Rusi Jijina's contact details at Mumbai (Bombay) and you could contact him directly. This being India, you'll have to bargain hard - there aren't any Indians going to buy those guns - and you may have to come here to look at them after speaking to Mr Jijina.

There have been a number of buyers coming in here to buy old guns every now and then, with Westley Richards' Walter Clode being the most frequent one. He used to advertise as much as six or seven months ago asking for old double rifles in The Hindu and The New Indian Express.

Some of the bigger Calcutta businesses also have some old double rifles but all I could do is put you in touch with them so that you could negotiate directly. I am no expert and could only introduce you to the dealers concerned.

Do e-mail/PM if you want the contact details of these gentlemen.

In friendship,

Seemed awfully cheap for such a nice looking rifle..Still, I would have bought if I seen it in time, but I would have been concerned that something had to be wrong with it to sell at that price....

I would not use it for Leopard or anything that could fight back...I have seen the 12 ga. slugs fail on deer too many times to count when shot in both lungs...Sometimes they kill like the hammer of thor and other times they don't seem to work at all IMO....

I agree with Ray on this. I have killed a couple of animals with 12ga. slugs and have not been impressed. I would MUCH rather have a 9,3x74R. Save your money for a little while longer and get the 9,3, you will be glad you did.

C'mon guys, there's a big difference between the Foster-style slugs and the Brenneke projectile!

Besides, genuine 12-bore rifles fired a round lead ball of around 570 grains, hardened for anything remotely dangerous. That load was quickly replaced by a flat-base conical projectile weighing anything from 700 to 1000 grains, also hardened for serious use!

I know the Fosters have a reputation for flattening, they are after all just an inverted cup of soft lead. ...but a Brenneke fail on a lung-shot deer? I don't think so!!!

[ 10-14-2003, 16:13: Message edited by: Marrakai ]

Mehul Kamdar,

Thank you for your offer. I don't know how far I'd get with it though. I don't know that I have the patience to deal with yet another bureaucracy or two (one in each country).

Re-reading Mr. Seyfried's article, I still feel he was ambivalent but I won't go so far as to say he's deriding their performance in any way.

I have to agree on the Brenneke slug. I've never seen one fail to go clear through a deer. However, I've seen the Foster type fail miserable severa times. As the widow ladies give me those loads, I shoot them up for fun and NEVER take them hunting.

Now, does anyone know of a source for the Brenneke? All that I've seen now are for those rifled bores (one of which I've yet to bring home).

[ 10-16-2003, 18:15: Message edited by: Hobie ]

I get my Brenneke slugs from the Bass Pro Shops. They have the best prices I have seen as well. I use the 1 oz MP load in my Ugartechea SxS slug gun. It groups multiple pairs of them inside 2" and 1" above point of aim at 50 yards. I used the gun/load to take a 180# hog last deer season. The hog was moving broadside around 30 yards away and caught my scent and turned straight away running. I fired catching him just to the right of his tail. He dropped immediately. The slug was found in his neck/throat just behind his cheek.