PC,

I would like to scaled up versions of the Speer 308 130 grain Hollow point in 375 and 45. They would weigh about 235 grains in 375 and 425 in 458. By the way, when you scale up it goes as the cube of diameter.

Richard will make dies that copy a bullet you send him.

Mike

It all sounds good Mike. For lever guns I reckon for the 50 you would want to scale up the 45/70 300 gr sierra HPFN which explodes when it hits stuff at 45/70 velocity's. I have run this bullet at 2150 fps, and boy does it expand !!

PC,

They would scale up to 415 grains but the sectional density would be the same as a 335 grain 458.

But with jacket trimmer you can make any length. For example if I sent him some 130 308 Speer Hollow points I could make them at 235 grains which would be scaled up 130 but SD would equal 158 grain in 30 but I could make them 300 grains. Sort of like Hornady 130 and 150 270s, the ogive is the same but the shank is longer in the 150s.

I would have to check on jackets. You don't buy jackets for each calibre as one size covers a couple of calibres. In other words for 375 and 416 you buy the same jackets.

But in the meantime why don't you get De Vries to make a jig to do Woodleigs black powder 400 grainers. Don Black has a simple one made for knocking the points of 308 military. As I remember it was like a die and you ust pushed the loaded round in and the point got milled off and the die controlled how far the loaded round went in.

With the bullet making gear the hollow point is swaged.

We will have to make our own bullets because the way these Americans are going unless the bullet will go 57 phone books, two trees and 3 swimming pools it won't be acceptable

Mike

Mike one bullet you might want to look at or brand at least.........(struggling tonight have been drinking Austrian Plum Schnapps at a friends house ) is the taipan brandn they work really well in .416 for our stuff, and they make them in .375 as well and there well priced.

Of course they do not make a flat noses 50-110 bullet

PC,

I never used the Taipans. I think they might make a 250 flat nose in 375.

Mike

Mike,
Taipan make a 220gr FN, 300gr RN and FMJ and 350gr RN amd FMJ. I believe they also have a 250gr but not sure of configuration. Wish so bad they'd make a 480-500gr RN for the bigger 45s.
Cheers...
Con
PS: Just checked and think the 250gr may be a spitzer? The 416s are listed as 400gr Rem and Rigby style, $70.20/100.

[Con,

I agree totally !! Have e-mailed Malcom Bone for a 480 500 gr .458 bullet "May be in the future was the resonse" !!

Bruce Bertram Makes a 480 gr woodleigh that would be good but he charges the same or more as woodleigh's for a non bonded bullet, if he came back a few $$ I would buy some in .458.

I wonder if he would make the bullet I want in 50-110 !!

PC,
Give Bruce a call and have a chat, last I spoke to him his projectiles were $50/50, then $90/100 with furthur discount for bulk. Mentioned to him they were expensive in comparison to the known performance of the Woodleigh, and he didn't really care. He may still be pricing as above or jacked up his prices further, dont know, last I spoke to him he was mentioning substantial increases in the lead price on the world market. He does have a .50 there in his line but I think it's a 535gr for the Jeffery.
Cheers...
Con

Yeah,

Well Bruce can have his standard world lead price increase, but he would find if he dropped his price by say $20 per 100 then he would sell a lot more bullets and most likely sell enough to make more profit than he is currently.

Bruces products are not good enough for him to be marketing himself as a "price maker"

Absolutely right, but everything I've heard is that he's a "my way" type of bloke. When I mentioned that at $35-$38 per 100, myself and some others could probably get an order of a few thousand together he hardly cared... sort of like the brass he used to make. I don't think quality has improved after his son took over either. Like you said, for a conventional bullet he cant be a "price maker". Note though that Woodleigh supposedly had a falling out with the BGRC and Bruce picked up supplying some of those guys which apparently got him his start. Not sure if there's any truth in it though.
Cheers...
Con

Please let us know what you get when you shoot it over a chronograph.

PC and Con,

Are you blokes looking for soft 500 grain roo bullet etc. in 45

Mike

Mike,

thats what I would like as then I can have the same situation as I do for my .416 Rigby where I have it sighted for the woodleigh 410 gr softs and the Taipan 400 gr shoots to the same POI and that then becomes my general bullet for grassy's and If I got to the guld again it's ready for woodleigh's. I want the same situation for my .458 lott.................sighted for woodleigh 500 gr softs and then a grassy bullet like a taipan for grassy's in the same weight.

That is how I like to set my rifles up. My .375 H&H will be set up for woodleigh 300 gr and also for the taipan 300 gr.

PC,

I am probably 3 months or so from ordering and there can be 12 months wait for all the gear.

You might consider getting together with a couple of other blokes because my understanding is that one of the pluses is that you can make the bullet at the range and adjust the weight so you get the best accuracy, point of impact etc.

At the monent I am mainly thinking about making bullet that wuld only be suitable for the 378s and 460s, although the 460 bullet would probably be OK in a 458.

The problem with the 378 and 460 is that the huge freebore and big case capacity lets you load down with powders like 2208/4064 to what are about mild 375 H&H and 458 Win loads but under that you get hangfires and to go lower you have to use the shotgun powders, in the 25 grain range. I am thinking of doing bullets that run full bullet dimater to the round or flat nose ogive and so remove the freebore and then probably be able to develop loads beteen the shotgun powder loads and mild 375 H&H and 458 Win. In other words loads that would be about what you would get if you had 30/06 case capacity for 375 and 45 bore size.

Such bullets would not chamber in a 375 H&H unless they were seater down to the primer. 458 would probably be OK because they have a huge freebore but I think the 458 Lott would be shorter and probably by the extra .3" of case length.

Mike.

I'm along with PC, the cheaper bullet is for practice or "play hunting". With the reduced load you gave me and using a Taipan 220gr, the 375H&H has become my favourite because I can go to the range and fire off 20-50 shots comfortably and without emptying the wallet. The 458Lott however is always a dollar a pop with the Woodleighs, and the cheap Rem projectiles shoot to a much different point of aim.
Cheers...
Con

Con,

Have you tried using the same load for both the 405 and 500 grainers.

I found in two M70 458s that the same load for max with 500 Hornady when used with the Speer 400 grain did about the same velocity and very close to same point of impact.

Mike

Con and PC,

Do you like this

http://www.hendershots.net/images/gunroom/460c.jpg

460

PC


Keep in mind these folk's also make and sell
jacket's for swaging bullet's


http://www.bulletmaker.com/


Taipan Bullets of Gympie, Australia

Yeah Mike,

I really like that !!

Tactical Big Bore, what calibre is it ?? and whats it worth ??

460 Wby DGR, Desrt Camo stock and Titanium Nitride metal finish

Out here, between $5800AUS and $7000AUS plus depending on barrel options anad action work.

quote:

Originally posted by Con:
PS: Just checked and think the 250gr may be a spitzer? The 416s are listed as 400gr Rem and Rigby style, $70.20/100.

Yep, the Taipan .375 250gr is a pointed design. Have some on hand, that I got from Clayton T&T last month.

Mike,

that is one nice weatherby for sure !! Well suited to our conditions and really is much more practical than a De'Vries/Waghorn .404 J. That rifle looks like it could take some abuse.

They are next on my list in 378 and 460 and hopefully after the upgraded 460 Deluxes arrive.

Your 404 will be fine for all and any conditions. Only problem is is needs a twin in 500 Jeffery

Mu best shooting mate is dumping all his Rem 700s with Tobler barrels and Jewell triggers and moving to HS Precisions. He basically wants to move hos rifles "upmarket" so it match all hos Schmidt and Bender and Nightforce scopes. He has spent over $20000 in the last two years on scopes. He is in charge of 30 calibre and down and I am in charge of 375 and up and we are letting the 338 bore people sit on the fence

Mike

PC,

Here as that 460 from the other side.

http://www.hendershots.net/images/gunroom/460c-4.jpg

Kev's 50-110 on a model 1886 Winchester Lever action



45/70 --- 50-110 ---- 50 Alaskan

Mike375,
I am doing the preliminaries of fitting my CZ 550 .378 Wby into a McMillan Fibermark stock for the Wby Mk V. I took it off my .340 Wby Mark V which got the Custom Shop Dark Timber Camo stock instead. The aluminum alloy bedding system in that stock would have been a problem to fit to CZ. The old McMillan stock is wrinkle painted black and it will be easy to fit and build up around the drop box, then cover my tracks with a wrinkle paint job.

You could not convince me to go all the way to the dark side.

PC,
Yes, your .50-110 is cute.

quote:

PC,
Yes, your .50-110 is cute.

RIP

Your 460 is cute next to Ed Hubel's .700 HE

quote:

Originally posted by MartinPotts:

quote:

PC,
Yes, your .50-110 is cute.

RIP

Your 460 is cute next to Ed Hubel's .700 HE

Martin,
I don't have a .460Wby anymore. I got tired of it and turned all the brass into .510/460WbyImpJAB fodder.
But thanks anyway.

Your welcome

RIP,

the 50-110 round does look like a .585 Nyati Rounds Sibling !!

Mike that weatherby beats the snow camo weatherby's for looks I think !!