In the Nov/Dec 2006 _Rifle Shooter_, Petersen's mag, Bubba Terry said some gems:

"If one were setting out today to design the perfect .500-caliber bolt-action cartridge, I would vote for a scaled-up .458 Lott based on the .378 Weatherby case. Word is Empire Rifles is at work on such a project, and the first rifles may be in production about the time you read this article. If so, my initials will be on one of them."

Has Terry never heard of the .495 A-Square?


And how about this zinger of elucidation:

"If money is no object, a hunter might look at the new H&H cartridge, the .465 H&H, which is similar to the .450 Ackley. It has a slight shoulder and uses the same bullets as H&H's .500/465. Ballistically, I don't see that it offers anything one cannot get with the Lott for considerably less money in a much shorter time."


Sounds like Terry needs to get out more often and open his eyes and ears and mind a bit more often, like maybe Terry has done too much of what he accuses others of:

" ... merely sit at home, handload, target shoot and dream big dreams."

I used to think more highly of Terry's writing before I read his latest drivel.

When bills are due you have to crank out an article from time to time. He wrote a bunch in the A-Square "Any Shot You Want" book, so I think he knows the score here.

Bro'dart,
Apparently he didn't read any of the manual except his own sections.

The .465 H&H does not have just a tiny shoulder (like the 450 Ackley) when it is done on a .460 Weatherby headed case with a .468 caliber bullet. The ballistics of the .465 H&H may be similar to the 450 Ackley, but he was getting pretty confusing there. Like he thinks the .465 H&H is based on a necked up .375 H&H case.

As for his remarks about those who:

" ... merely sit at home, handload, target shoot and dream big dreams."

Sir, I resemble that remark!

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" ... merely sit at home, handload, target shoot and dream big dreams."

Sir, I resemble that remark!

That would be me for the last several years. Soon to change....

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Originally posted by RIP:


I used to think more highly of Terry's writing before I read his latest drivel.

RIP, you need to read "Any Shot You Want " more closely! He writes quite a lot of stuff that sounds very much like other peoples writing and experiences! What you have quoted above are rather grave bummers!

RIP, All,

Talk about much ado about nothing, this really takes the cake. I know Terry Wieland very well. He is a close friend and a colleague. Aside from that fact, he is also one of the very best writers in this business, in my opinion. He is also leaving in three weeks for another trip to Africa -- Tanzania to be specific -- for the umpteenth time. He will be after nothing but buffalo, and will take his custom Dakota 458 Lott and his 500 NE Rigby double. He does not sit in his den -- frankly, I'm not sure he even has a den.

I have just re-read the article you cite in RifleShooter. I find nothing in it that doesn't make sense to me. Whether the 465 H&H has a neck or not, I can't say as I've never so much as seen a single round of ammo for one. I also could care less whether it has a neck or not as I'll never own one. If there is anything on this earth that my 458 Lott (or several other perfectly adequate cartridges) won't handle cleanly, then I, for one, will leave it the hell alone!

As to the 495 A-Square, Terry not only knows about the cartridge, Empire Rifles built him a rifle in that chambering. With the rather shaky situation with the A-Square Company the past few years, I would personally have a hard time recommending the cartridge. I suspect that is Terry's reasoning as well. Frankly I don't know if they are still producing cartridges or components.

All in all, we gun nuts, or, rifle loonies as John Barsness calls us, are truly in a class by ourselves. We will fight to the death over an extra 50 fps or 50 grains of bullet weight. We will search the world for a cartridge case that can be blown-out, shortened, necked up, necked down, or modified in some other way, all in search of minutiae. No buffalo ever lived that can tell the difference between being well- struck with an adequate weight bullet, of adequate construction, driven at an adequate velocity, no matter what is stamped on the cartridge case.

I agree that it makes for a lot of fun, and if that's what a guy wants to do, more power to him. Whatever flicks one's Bic is fine with me, so long as they don't try to pressure me to believe in the omnipotence of fine frog hairs. However, questioning one's IQ because they don't happen to subscribe to the same theory is, to me anyway, a bit much. The fact is that there is a rather large shoe box full of cartridges out there that will do the job quite nicely. As I said before, if a well aimed .458" bullet, weighing between 450 and 500 grains, and traveling down range at somewhere around 2250/2300 fps, won't do the beastie in, then this hunter will let it be, and go looking for something else.

Tom

Tsquare2, nice post. What a gentlemen! Welcome to the forums.

Heck- I read the article and was bummed out that he didn't even know of the .600Ok or the 12 gaFH. Obviously he doesn't visit this site. The article was really aimed to impress the .30-.30 or 45-70 set I think!-Rob.

I side with RGB here. Sadly, it seems that 90% of the rifle articles being written today are designed to impress the "270 Win is a better all around rifle than the 30-06". Next month "No it isn't!". Next month "In the hands of a skilled rifleman the 280 Rem can out-perform both!! So there!!". Crowd. Haven't ever heard of this guy, so coan't comment on his stuff. I get more out of the AR forum each month than a year's worth of most gun magazines.

Rich

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I side with RGB here. Sadly, it seems that 90% of the rifle articles being written today are designed to impress the "270 Win is a better all around rifle than the 30-06". Next month "No it isn't!". Next month "In the hands of a skilled rifleman the 280 Rem can out-perform both!! So there!!". Crowd. Haven't ever heard of this guy, so coan't comment on his stuff. I get more out of the AR forum each month than a year's worth of most gun magazines.

Rich

Heh, I read an article that flatly stated the 6.5x55 was a superior cartridge than the 308... now, of course, the 308 was loaded with 190gr pills.......

jeffe

Hi Tom T2,

Welcome to AR, the land of definite opinions !

lawndart