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jstevens
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I'm in the mood for a cape buffalo rifle, I have two good .375's, but this gives me an excuse for something new. I'm not sure if I should get the CZ or Ruger in .416 Rigby or rebarrel an old 7mm or .300 Mag to a .416 Taylor. It seems I could do this as cheap as the new Rigby's and still get 2400fps with 400 gr bullets with a bunch less recoil. If I was a reasonable man I'd just shoot the .375 I'm comfortable with, but that's too easy.
 
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or, the obvious result

rebarrel on of your 375 to 416 rem OR 458 lott.

get the cz, swap the stock and safety.... at least the safety,

on the stock, rebed and releive for clearence.

i have yet to see a cz safari that wont out shoot the owner, off hand.

jeffe
 
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I would get a cz, but then I am a little bias towards them [Wink]
 
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Originally posted by jstevens:
I'm in the mood for a cape buffalo rifle, I have two good .375's, but this gives me an excuse for something new. I'm not sure if I should get the CZ or Ruger in .416 Rigby or rebarrel an old 7mm or .300 Mag to a .416 Taylor. It seems I could do this as cheap as the new Rigby's and still get 2400fps with 400 gr bullets with a bunch less recoil. If I was a reasonable man I'd just shoot the .375 I'm comfortable with, but that's too easy.
isnt 2400 with 400 rgrain bullet gonna giv sthe same reciol - what diferenc does the cartfrige make - 2400 x 400 = 960000 fot puonds nomater waht cartrige -pleaze explan - mook
 
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jstevens
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I have to believe the extra 25-30 grains of powder will make the Rigby come back a bit harder. Load a 150 grain 7x57 to 2800 fps, then load a 7mm RUM 150 grain to 2800 fps and tell me the recoil feels the same to you.
 
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Mook person - your spelling is horrid but you must have passed physics - a certain guy named Einstein did say "for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction" - can anyone explain why burning more powder (in the Rigby) gives more recoil yet the final result (400 grain bullet exiting the barrel at 2400 FPS) is the same? KMule
 
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N E 450 No2
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KMule
In caculating recoil energy you must also figure in the amount of ejecta provided by the powder charge. More powder equals more ejecta. Also some people report more recoil with a slower burning powder even if the bullet velocities are the same. Still others report less recoil between two cartridges with the same velocity but different max pressure.

More important to me than mathamatical caculations of recoil is "how the gun feels". For example the Weatherby DGR 458 Win I shot the other day had the "softest" recoil of any 458 I have ever fired.
 
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jstevens, if that was me I would probably go with the .416 Taylor and rebarrel an existing rifle. Definitely cheaper to reload. Besides, with the money you save, you can put that towards your next hunting trip. [Big Grin]
 
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NE450No2 - ah yes, the ejecta! Shot some 416 Rigby yesterday and it felt like the slightly faster burning powder had a bit more recoil "jab" - comparing 400 grain bullets with several warm loads, some of IMR4350 and some with IMR4831 - felt like the 4350 had a quicker recoil - I completely agree about how the rifle feels, the ruger #1 kicks in a different way than the CZ550 with the CZ having a bit less kick IMHO - thanks - KMule
 
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Hmmm....this is really my cup of tea [Big Grin]

There can be only one and that is the 416 rigby...classic better resale value and not trouble with velocity of pressure in warm weather..You can get factory ammo for it, which is not possible for the 416 taylor

I would go for a CZ [Big Grin]

/ JOHAN
 
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Originally posted by KMuleinAK:
Mook person - your spelling is horrid but you must have passed physics - a certain guy named Einstein did say "for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction" - can anyone explain why burning more powder (in the Rigby) gives more recoil yet the final result (400 grain bullet exiting the barrel at 2400 FPS) is the same? KMule
kmuel person - shutt the hell up abot my spelleng you jerk! you shound like you agre with me but insult me - ure not to smart boy else you could ezplain how come 2400 x 400 is diferint with a taylor and a ribly - so, wat you say? mook
 
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This 'Mook' sounds like a troll. In March he posted this...

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My boss order a new Bridgeport from some place in Georgia this past Friday; he got it with DRO, several vises and some items, to be delivered to Anchorage in 12-14 days for a total of approximately $15000. We don't have a saw to cut the chrome rod, our machinist has recommended a hydromet? saw, says it is a real good unit - I don't believe it will cut induction hardened chrome (the type we will use for Cat cylinders) but it will cut other types of chrome rod. Any ideas for a good saw to cleanly cut material to include 4140, chrome rod, etc?
...and now he has degraded to what you see above.

Here's the link...

Mooks Gunsmithing Post

Weird.

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savage49494
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BW, I think you're right. Maybe he needs to get into town more often?
[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] That's OK though, send him over to the political forum. TheeBadOne and I are looking for new trolls to liven things up a bit.
 
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mstarling
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Or maybe just "gone native" in a short time [Wink]
 
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Back to the subject, Have you considered turning the 7mm into a 416 Howell?
It would beat the Taylor at same pressures, or match at less. The brass is more expensive, but not after you buy it. [Big Grin]
 
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While I think the Taylor is an outstanding round, and has many great attributes, it won't push a 400 gr 2400 fps, unless you have a long barrel, and/or run high pressures. But that isn't a problem because 2200-2300 fps is sufficient.

That said, the CZ 416 Rigby is a wonderful rifle, and would be my choice over the Taylor for a buffalo rifle. If on the other hand you were looking for a bear/moose rifle, I'd build a 22" barreled relatively light 416 Taylor, and be quite content pushing 350 gr bullets 2500 fps.
 
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JV
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KMule,
the action-reaction law is a couple of hundred years older than Einstein and was first put in writing by Newton.
Einstein concerned himself with more complicated stuff.
 
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jstevens,

My first choice would be to re-barrel one of the 375's to 416 Rem. Mag. Second choice would be the 416 Taylor. I guess whatever a person likes would be the best for them. If a classic african caliber
is of importance to you, get the Rigby. If I were going to the CZ it would be a 458 Win Mag and I would convert it to 458 Lott. You can't go wrong
with any of these calibers.
 
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Paul H,

Here is a .416 Taylor that does more than 2400fps without maxing it out too bad [Wink] Although it does have a 25" barrel [Big Grin]

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Bwana-be
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Damn fine shooting.
 
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Buy the new Ruger M77 in 458 Lott. I have one in 416 Rigby and love it. However, you already have a 375H&H, so you should step up a bit more in power than what the .416 has to offer.

If you don't get a .458 Lott, we will all call you a sissy [Big Grin]

There, that should do it.

Tim
 
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jstevens
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I can't see anything wrong with going the other way and building a .458 Lott, except I can see shooting large plains game also with a .416, maybe bear, etc, but would feel a little odd with a .458 Lott. I'm beginning to think the Rigby now, the classic caliber thing may be the difference, would fit in with my .375's, 7x57's, and 9.3x62. On one of these ammo availability may not be so important, since I won't run as many through it as a .223 or .243.
 
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Also I don't want to be called a sissy, , but the .416 Rigby should eliminate that problem. It amazes me how many people won't even consider shooting a .375, I kind of like the push of a .375.
 
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I prefer the 416 Rem to any of them simply because it has more steam than a Taylor, operates at lower pressure and thats important in African heat...you can build it on a much smaller action than the Rigby so you end up with a lighter more compact rifle of the same power...The 416 Rem is the best of the lot unless you go with the added expense of a 404 Jefferys, a great round...

I would prefer any of the 3 over a 458, a round I personally do not care for..The 458 Lott is a fine caliber but I don't care for the added recoil and slower recoil recovery may or may not be an issue.
 
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Originally posted by savage49494:
BW, I think you're right. Maybe he needs to get into town more often?
[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] That's OK though, send him over to the political forum. TheeBadOne and I are looking for new trolls to liven things up a bit.
i am in town bung boy - ure to smart to, huh? see you r savage ass annd peebudone inpolitics ok - like the movees saz, let us rock - [Razz] mook
 
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TXPO
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Mook

I normally don't get involved with suspected trolls...I'm not even sure you are one, But I have to ask.......how long does it take you to deliberately butcher the english language while still allowing people to understand what you mean??? [Confused]

Anyway....it's obvious and very irritating! [Mad]

Get a Dictionary!
[Roll Eyes]

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Mook

I normally don't get involved with suspected trolls...I'm not even sure you are one, But I have to ask.......how long does it take you to deliberately butcher the english language while still allowing people to understand what you mean??? [Confused]

Anyway....it's obvious and very irritating! [Mad]

Get a Dictionary!
[Roll Eyes]
ets ezey stoop ed, juging bye ure piktur you lok lahk yu unnerstan me good - hows yu lahk to puture hed in a mikerowav eh? mook
 
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Mook

I normally don't get involved with suspected trolls...I'm not even sure you are one, But I have to ask.......how long does it take you to deliberately butcher the english language while still allowing people to understand what you mean??? [Confused]

Anyway....it's obvious and very irritating! [Mad]

Get a Dictionary!
[Roll Eyes]
TXPO

I don't think he is doing it deliberately. Just another example of a Middle School education at work. [Frown]
 
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I guess I'll have to jump in to defend the Ruger in 416 Rigby. I bought one used a few months ago and am very pleased with it. As far as looks go, next to the CZ, it is the prom queen vs Mary Catherine Gallager!!!
 
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Mookie,

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Originally posted by savage49494:
BW, I think you're right. Maybe he needs to get into town more often?
That's OK though, send him over to the political forum. TheeBadOne and I are looking for new trolls to liven things up a bit.
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i am in town bung boy - ure to smart to, huh? see you r savage ass annd peebudone inpolitics ok - like the movees saz, let us rock - mook

You almost had me fooled Mookie. At first I thought you might be mildly amusing, but if you can't make yourself understood what the fuck good are you? You don't even qualify for troll as I can see you are yet another graduate of CWTTIOLL (Cheap White Trailer Trash Institute of Lower Learning). You are definitely in the right forum as you ARE a big bore! Bye-Bye [Big Grin]
 
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Mookie,

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Originally posted by savage49494:
BW, I think you're right. Maybe he needs to get into town more often?
That's OK though, send him over to the political forum. TheeBadOne and I are looking for new trolls to liven things up a bit.
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i am in town bung boy - ure to smart to, huh? see you r savage ass annd peebudone inpolitics ok - like the movees saz, let us rock - mook

You almost had me fooled Mookie. At first I thought you might be mildly amusing, but if you can't make yourself understood what the fuck good are you? You don't even qualify for troll as I can see you are yet another graduate of CWTTIOLL (Cheap White Trailer Trash Institute of Lower Learning). You are definitely in the right forum as you ARE a big bore! Bye-Bye [Big Grin]
got you to bite, dumbass [Big Grin] [Wink] [Razz]
 
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Karl
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He has a point there.
 
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Karl
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Jstevens,
sounds like you have the sensible stuff, now want 'something impressive'.
I'd go all the way to a 416 Rigby mate.

Firstly a 416 taylor looks a bit weak sitting next to a 375 H&H case.People say, that's an elephant gun???

Second when all the african game is gone you can tell you great grandkids you shot game back in the old days with a real classic [Smile]

Karl.
 
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Karl,

Since I have both a 375H&H, and a 416 Taylor, I'd have to agree with you. The H&H looks much better. [Smile]
 
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I think I've decided what I need is a Ruger Safari in .416 Rigby. It probably makes more sense to rebarrel one of the .375's, but I don't want to. probably the best would be a Ruger .416 Remington, but they don't make one and it's silly to buy a .375 and rebarrel it. I think the extra weight in the barrel on the Ruger will help tame it too. Does anyone know what the best price is on the Ruger?
 
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