Uh-huh!

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:

and at the current pricing of the upcoming Winchester M70 that will be made in the USA;

Any guesses on what the M70s might go for? The 375s/458s?

I thought M70 was going no bigger than the 338 Fed. What's the scoop on the safari stuff?? What is the price going to be?

Boddington wrote an article claiming it was a decent gun too.

Rich, do you own one?

I am going to buy one and mess with it. I figure it's going to be rough, but it's a no-shit Mauser built in 375 and 458. Kind of hard for it to be totally FUBAR.

On the fence on which caliber.

The standard caliber 798's have all been discounted around here, Cabela's started it at $439, I've seen them at $399 at Gander Mountain and Dick's Sporting Goods as well.

If that's any indication, the magnum's may be going a bit cheaper a year or so after introduction.

The real acid test comes with the consumer. If the 798 is a POS, the truth will out, as Shakespeare said.

I stopped listening to gun rag endorsements a long time ago.

George

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I am hearing about the same price, but they will have the nifty 3-position safety and 100% made in USA. Saturday morning Feb 2nd, I will have one in my fat little fingers at the SHOT Show.

Rich
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Great, let me know how they look!

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
...but I prefer to keep my gunsmith busy doing creative things rather than fixing an out of the box candidate for bedding and reblueing and tuning to make it safe to hunt with.

I must have missed the safety issue here, could you enlighten me?

Rich,

The article doesn't say "the action is binding", those are your words - not the authors.

I sounds like the action is "rough" not unlike most CZ 550's as they are shipped.

How many times a year does the question get asked in the Gunsmithing forum "How do I slick up my(insert favorite brand here)". I'll tell you, its quite often.

I'm unsure why you're lashing out so hard on this rifle.

I think the stock sucks too, but underneath it all its just a Zavasta regardless of who's name is on it and how long(or well of a job) they spend polishing it.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I'll get a chance to see how the ones they have at SHOT look. This time next week I will be on my way.

I doubt that the SHOT show guns will be randomly pulled from the assembly line. They'll be gussied-up some. Or a lot.

Heck. For 400 bucks you can buy eight cartons of cigarettes, too!!

Your clip "..." was the most important part of that quote for comprehension of what was being said.

Here is the EXACT quote from the article:

"While there were no failures of any kind, the action was a bit rough. While it smoothed a little with use, it still was a bit rough for fast repeat shooting and would require some polishing by a competent gunsmith before using the rifle for dangerous game."

Which, back to what I said previous, is on par with other rifles at this price point(CZ).

MSRP for the 300 Win Mag they tested in this article is $710. Cabela's is selling them at $439 this afternoon in Hammond, IN.

A CZ-550 Medium, about the closest thing I can find to compare in 7mm RM MSRP is $790. Whittakers, who have generally had the most competitive prices in the country on these is at $592.99. The least expensive 550 you can get into there is at $540.

In either case, both rifles could use a couple of evenings sitting in front of the couch, cycling the action repeatedly to smooth things out.

I'm thinking to myself - "Self! WTF would anyone want with some "made south of the Danube sweat shop clunker"?

Which retard at El Cheapo Arms Company decided that the USA needs more imported cheap crap, or worse, a cheap imitation of cheap crap?

It should be readily apparent to any air breather in the sporting arms industry who reads this forum, that consumers who use these devices aren't looking for $400 rifles!! $400 doesn't even buy a crappy plastic auto-pistol. A decent piece of wood for a rifle costs $400 or more.

Maybe Norinco should get into the DGR business? They could probably sell them for $129.

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I get the feeling that I have been wrestling with a pig. At a certain point in time, you realize that you are exhausted, have accomplished nothing and that the pig is just enjoying the attention.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I have bought five CZs in the past fourteen months.

Perhaps that's part of your bias.

All of them functioned right out of the box, and they have not needed work before "...using them for dangerous game...".

I haven't read about any of your hunts for dangerous game in the last 14 months, maybe I missed them.

The writer comes right out and says one of these might get you killed by dangerous game whilst trying to work the bolt and chamber a second round.

Rich, the only thing I can figure is that you were sent a different magazine than I was.

The quote from my magazine says this about the rifle's function, and this alone:

"While there was no failures of any kind, the action was a bit rough. While it smoothed a little with use, it still was a bit rough for fast repeat shooting and would require some polishing by a competent gunsmith before using the rifle for dangerous game."

Based on the information provided, it had at least 75 rounds through it during the testing process.

I'd reckon that it would loosen up a bit in those 75 rounds, especially if they hadn't cleaned all the cosmoline that has traditionally been packed in the bolt on the Interarms and Charles Daly versions when shipped.

So, as always with anyone that takes a different stand than your own, you've stooped to thinly veiled personal attacks which you call "humor".

- You've compared my reading comprehension to a 10 year old

- You've called me pigheaded

- And compared our little debate here to wrestling with a pig

Perhaps that's why very few others have decided to weigh in, because it does seem to be somewhat of a tradition for you.

Since you seem to think the NRA is biased towards Remington...what did you think of the article about the DPMS 260(by another unnamed author)?

Certainly you are aware that Cerberus owns DPMS, Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster and Chrysler.

Have you noticed any other bias in any reviews of those other products?

I can't imagine hunting any wild bovines with one before I spent some time working on it.

As for the CZ they are the roughest bastards going, and need some work as well.

PIG WRESTLER!!!

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
My nephew is ten and a half, if he can figure it out in ten minutes and you have been at this for nearly a week now and can't figure it out, then you tell me where that leaves you. This ain't rocket science.

Yes it was a reference to your stated lack of intelligence and/or common sense.

I rest my case, welcome to my ignore list.

Should have done that a long time ago.

Just for reference though, a week is seven days long around these parts.

How can I every repay you for that act of kindness? I guess that will teach me, losing you as a reader/responder here.

Here's Webster to the rescue. Week: weeeek.
1. a span of seven consecutive days
2. a delineated span starting at 12:00am on Sunday and extending no more than until 12 midnight Saturday night
3. a part of a month, ie the second or third week of May, or any part of that time frame.
4. one hundred and sixty eight consecutive hours.

What this means is the reference is correct.
In this case, the reference is in context of a monthly calendar. Particularly referring to an initial event from last week, continuing over into this week. Let me use smaller words, I can see you have problems with multi-syllable ones. My post, and your reply were last week. This post is this week. From Saturday to Sunday is technically a two week period; the last day of a week and the first day of the next one. Have one of your friends here, you DO have at least one friend here don't you? Good for you! Have them explain it to you.

I hope things get better for you.

Rich
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Hey Idaho, nice edit job!

I found the last one where you were speaking of sodomy, and then talking about the reading comprehension of your 10 year old grandson in the next paragraph, particularly disturbing.

Not exactly something you'd be proud of reading your parent or grandparent talking about on a public forum.

Glad to see you came to your senses and removed it.

As far as the rest of the posts, I am curious as to why you'd remove your position on the article that was written on these rifles.

This topic has devolved to the point of worthlessness. It is now closed.

George