Chris/Warrior/Truvelloshooter,

finally - after an unspecified period of time or an especially long delay, eventually

finally - as the end result of a succession or process; "ultimately he had to give in"; "at long last the winter was over" at last, at long last, ultimately, in the end

concede - admit (to a wrongdoing); "She confessed that she had taken the money" confess, profess, acknowledge, admit - declare to be true or admit the existence or reality or truth of; "He admitted his errors"; "She acknowledged that she might have forgotten" fess up, make a clean breast of, own up - admit or acknowledge a wrongdoing or error; "the writer of the anonymous letter owned up after they identified his handwriting"

concede - be willing to concede; "I grant you this much" grant, yield, agree, concur, concord, hold - be in accord; be in agreement; "We agreed on the terms of the settlement"; "I can't agree with you!"; "I hold with those who say life is sacred"; "Both philosophers concord on this point" forgive - stop blaming or grant forgiveness; "I forgave him his infidelity"; "She cannot forgive him for forgetting her birthday"

Your remark: "Finally you conceded that your published high-BC's were not true." is therefore just another dishonest jab at me and GSC. Given that I assessed the BC numbers, found them to be incorrect and removed them and, when I was asked why they were removed, stated that I am redoing them. No one pointed out that they were incorrect until after I had removed them, so there was no conceded and no finally.

Of course you do not end there. You say:

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Fact is that not all BC's were correct - ie over stated.

What I stated clearly when I said the numbers were removed was: "Some are better, some are worse, most are close and, once done, all will be right." You choose to say all were over stated. It figures that, as usual, you were not paying attention. You have the wrong finger in the cow again, probably deliberately, and run off at the mouth unchecked, as long as the drivel you come up with, is derogatory towards GSC.

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It would be very interesting to get your reply/version on the pressure tests that I have asked you for the umpteenth time. I am still waiting.

You need to go here. and read carefully. You missed something as usual. Otherwise it will be a long wait and you should know by now I am disinclined to give you the time of the day.

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Fact is that not all BC's were correct - ie over stated.

Gerard,

Please pay attention .... the above statement means in plain English that some BC's were not correct. With your usual twisting of words you deduct from this by saying .... "You choose to say all were over stated." I am not sure what dictionary you are using.

Some revision: ...... "not all" = "some"

You still have not given us your view on "safe max" loads, but rather to mull around in circles. That creates more confusion rather than giving direction to this very important question. With your refusal to answer this fair and reasonable question repeatedly, it has now become a silly endeavour to continue this discussion with you. you just create more and more smoke as we go on.

Motivating a bullet by virtue of a high velocity that sends pressures over P-Max is not what I would call honest marketing for one, and for another, not a safe position for the older and softer K98 actions that abound in the 9.3x62 rifles. However if you can prove that reaching your claimed 2,800 fps with the 230 gr HV bullet, and still stay within the max prescribed pressure level for the caliber, then of cause your recommendation would be credible and sound. My lab test seem to suggets otherwise. All you have to do is to disclose how you arrived at the 2,800 fps, as the section that you referred me to on your site does not deal with this aspect.

I make you this offer, you load these bullets to 2,800 fps, I will send them to the lab, I will pay for the cost and the Lab can furnish us with a certificate. The same can be done for the .375/265 gr bullet at 2,900 fps. This will remove all doubt and it won't cost you a cent.

Warrior

Hey Warrior,
You are a sly one. You mention only the overstated bc figures and then you try and spin a story around it. What about the ones that were correct? I am amazed at Gerards restraint. I would have paid you a visit long ago. But I do believe you are digging a hole for yourself that it is going to be difficult to climb out of later.

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I will send them to the lab

Is there anyone who cannot see through that one!!!!!

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375 fanatic
one of us

Posted 21 February 2008 10:37 Hide Post
I shot my test round yesterday with the 375 200gr GSC first shot went over 3200 feet/sec it showed no signs of pressure i stopped shooting and pulled the rest and downloaded by another 2gr we will see what happens on friday


THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN IS THE BOER WITH JUST ONE GUN

Posts: 276 | Location: Sabie South Africa | Registered: 27 April 2007

375 fanatic doesn't say by how much he went over 3200fps, but he clearly states there were no signs of pressure!
(Why he wants to download is his secret - 'The faster you drive them, the better they perform!')

One of my clients takes his 375 200gr HV up to max - 3300fps - and he also couldn't find any signs of excess pressure.

Só, your so-called lab tests on the 9.3 x 62 230gr HV at 2800fps and your doubts about the 375 265gr HV at 2900fps really shows that you are completely unable to grasp the full extent and capability of the HV concept.

Many others do appreciate and understand it all and while you are stumbling over your own inability, they benefit from it all.

Chris / Warrior / Truvelloshooter / King of (bad) Spin / Master of (obvious) Deceit,

Do you read the stuff you write, obviously not. You say:

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Fact is that not all BC's were correct - ie over stated.
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the above statement means in plain English that some BC's were not correct.
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I am not sure what dictionary you are using.

I must be using a better one than you are using. I also use it to verify words and their meaning. It is not used as a doorstop as yours is.

When I shoot animals they do not perspire as yours do, they expire. As for jumping to "physic conclusions", what on earth is that?

On the previous page you said: "I will leave the theory to the scientists." I ask: "Why don't you, you are making an ass of yourself when you try to theorise."

Remember now: Dead cow, m-i-d-d-l-e f-i-n-g-e-r.