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500 or 577 double???
02 February 2004, 03:48
700 nitro500 or 577 double???
after trying a few bolt actions in 500 jeffery(a heym) 460 wby and 458 lott i have desided i want to stick with double rifles
i just dont feel comfortable with the bolts as much as i do with a good double gun.
so here is my question........i need a double that will plow through a elephant bulls skull from any (resonable angle)and must be no more than say 14 pounds.
i have come down to these 2 guns the 500 nitro and the 577
i was talking to butch and he highly recomends the two calibers and he says he can make me a 13-14 pound 577 nitro
and the 500 comes standard at around 12-13 pounds
what do you guys think?
02 February 2004, 04:00
GeorgeSWhat are you going to do with the .700 Nitro you ordered? Leave it under your bed?
George
02 February 2004, 04:19
500grainsYou already have a big boomer in the .700, so now you need a working rifle. I suggest a 500 NE PH model. Or a bolt gun.
Doesn't the 500 NE PH model weigh 11 pounds?
02 February 2004, 08:11
AtkinsonI don't want to pack anything over about 10 lbs give or take 6 ounces....A 500 is a better penitrating caliber than a 577 as is the .470....I see no need for anything bigger than a .470 or 458 Lott in big bores other than to please the desires of the shooter...In fact I am perfectly satisfied with a 404 or 416 Rem, which will shoot completely through an elephant skull as easily as a 500 or a 577....
02 February 2004, 08:15
700 nitroGeorgeS
i need a nice light working gun i love my 700 but need something to back it up thats all
plus besides what if i dont want to carry the 700 i need another gun i can use.
02 February 2004, 08:18
700 nitroi think your right dan i am leaning twords the 500 anyways a nice 11 pound double would serve me well the 577 is to close in weight to my 700 to make a difference.
i am only considering double rifles. but thanks for the info any way guys.
hey ray would you use a remington safarie grade 416 or would you stay with a crf?
02 February 2004, 09:57
N E 450 No2Since you already have the 700 I would get a 470. I pick the 470 over the 500 simply because It is easier to find 470 ammo. Also the 470 will kick less and be a little lighter, which might be a good thing after carrying and shooting the 700.
02 February 2004, 10:04
510wellsI went with the 500NE. MUCH cheaper to shoot.
Roi
02 February 2004, 11:21
700 nitroNE 450 i am going to go with the 500 i handload all of my ammo so i dont care about finding loading ammo for it.
plus i like the slightly heavyer bullet of the 500 and the little bit of extra stopping power. plus they cost the same so i might as well get the most bang for my buck.
02 February 2004, 18:36
500grains700, I suspect that 450 no. 2 was trying to say that if your luggage is lost, you have about a 10x better chance of finding 470 nitro ammo in Bots or Zim than 500 NE. That being said, you have a 10x better chance finding 500 NE than finding 577 NE. And if the airline loses that 700 NE ammo, you better call Butch and have him hop on a plane with some cartridges, because you will be the only guy on the African continent with that caliber! Unless of course you happen to be in camp with the famous gentleman from Germany or the famous gentleman from Beverly Hills who like to hunt with that caliber.
02 February 2004, 18:53
Atkinson700,
I am a devout CFR man, I have no use for Remingtons, Sakos etc in a DGR...I want a pre 64 M-70 or a M-98 Mauser, preferably the Mauser....
That is only MY opinnion, and to each his own is my take on such things...
02 February 2004, 18:57
Lar45What about the Winchester controlled round push feed? It looks kind of like the Savage that was made in 375H&H and .458. It may not have a claw extractor, but it does have controlled round feed.
02 February 2004, 19:34
500grainsQuote:
What about the Winchester controlled round push feed? It looks kind of like the Savage that was made in 375H&H and .458. It may not have a claw extractor, but it does have controlled round feed.
No offense, but in my opinion, hunting Africa with one of those would be like calf roping while wearing a French beret.
02 February 2004, 19:58
N E 450 No2500grains
Thanks, that is exactly the point I was trying to make.
It might be a good idea to have one rifle that you MIGHT be able to get ammo for locally.
03 February 2004, 02:44
700 nitrosorry 450 i didnt mean to sound harsh
i understand what you were trying to say but i have basicaly made up my mind. I really like the 500 and from the few people that i have talked to i think i will like it the same as, if not more than the 470.
i am trying to get the most power i can get from a double but still keep the weight of the rifle down
03 February 2004, 05:11
Lar45No offense taken. I had just looked at the ads for them and it seemed that Winchester was trying to convince you that it was okay for them to make a cheaper rifle and you should still buy it. I thought that it was interesting that it looks almost identical to the Savage Controlled feed system.
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What about the Winchester controlled round push feed? It looks kind of like the Savage that was made in 375H&H and .458. It may not have a claw extractor, but it does have controlled round feed.
No offense, but in my opinion, hunting Africa with one of those would be like calf roping while wearing a French beret.
03 February 2004, 05:51
GeorgeSDid you receive your .700NE from Butch yet?
What are you planning to use on the elephant you were going on?
George
03 February 2004, 06:55
<JOHAN>700 nitro
Go for the 577. You can shoot slugs will put penetrate the 500. Ross Seyfried puts the 577 in a new category, called Crushers. While you are these why not get a matched pair. Annother great alternative would be a 577 Rewa. Who will you order the gun from?
Atkinson.
Have you finally decided to step out of the closes and admit that mausers are the thing
Say those old no good push feeds you got. What to do with them...trade for a hose?
Cheers
/ JOHAN
03 February 2004, 10:23
700 nitroi am going to use the 700 GeorgeS the 500 will be a back up or second rifle
03 February 2004, 11:03
GeorgeSBut did you GET the rifle yet?
George
03 February 2004, 11:15
700 nitrono not yet its starting to get on my nerves but there is nothing i can do about it i am waiting on approval from the stat dept
butch mailed my my barrels today so i will have them and he will send me the action asap hopfually soon.
03 February 2004, 11:32
GeorgeSBummer.
George
03 February 2004, 13:29
500grainsQuote:
no not yet its starting to get on my nerves but there is nothing i can do about it i am waiting on approval from the stat dept
butch mailed my my barrels today so i will have them and he will send me the action asap hopfually soon.
Let this be a lesson to you: Get yourself in gear and get your U.S. passport. You are a U.S. citizen who is inadvertently carrying the wrong passport. Once you have a U.S. passport, Butch can just send the stuff to an FFL in Niagra Falls, NY without pissing around with the State Department.
Unfortunately, with a Canadian passport you may face similar hassles when trying to transport your rifle through the U.S. temporarily on your way to Botswana.
The other advantage of a U.S. passport is that you will be eligible for the draft.
03 February 2004, 15:29
700 nitroim already looking into it i just need to get some forems fill them out and send some papers in.
my mother is a us citizen i need her birth certificate and a copy of mine send it to the passport people and wham in no time i will have my us passport.
but wouldnt i need a ny firearms certificate???
03 February 2004, 15:34
GeorgeSA NYS driver's license is sufficient to purchase a long gun in almost all counties of NY state (the five counties of my hometown, New York City, are a notable exception).
George
03 February 2004, 16:14
700 nitroi gotta call the pass port service tomorro i went over there web page and got all the information i need .
i am going to wait till i come back from africa to do anything i dont need to accidently mess anything up.
03 February 2004, 17:15
Mickey1If you play your cards right you can end up with one of each.
03 February 2004, 18:14
500grainsQuote:
i gotta call the pass port service tomorro i went over there web page and got all the information i need .
i am going to wait till i come back from africa to do anything i dont need to accidently mess anything up.
Do it now, but do not relinquish physical control of your Canadian passport. If you are luck, you will travel to Africa with a U.S. passport and not have to deal with that temporary transit with firearm B.S.