not this time, B&B Gunsmithing in Boise. Brockman does some fine work, I just have not gotten to him with any boltguns.

Rich

ok....chris

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They have the wonderful European Lux Hogback stocks that fit me like a glove and deflect a portion of the recoil into muzzle rise.
Plus they have excellent metal to wood fit: tight, smooth, even.

I have to agree. Mine in 375 H&H may be my favorite bolt gun.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
another reason to love the CZ550 Safari Magnum...the new Ruger magnum in DG chamberings has risen to $1975 retail.
Rich

A dealer I know will sell the Ruger's all day long for about $1425, I just talked to him the other day and his cost on the DG caliber guns was $1388.

I don't know if he'd charge tax, but there would be shipping on top of that.

fireslayer,

that is great news...

Rich

Here's his phone number:

EZ Pawn & Gun
479-754-8021

Ask for Jeff, he's in Clarksville, AR. I've been buying guns from him for the last 10 years, I'm 32, and he can't be beat on most of his prices.

He can get Ruger, Remington, Browning, CZ, Glock, Springfield, Rock River Arms, DPMS, Bushmaster, S&W, Colt, STI, etc..

He doesn't deal in Beretta/Sako, Benelli or the high dollar scopes like Zeiss, S&B, etc. (no suppliers or the company limits their dealership), but he can get just about anything else you are looking for at prices that'll make you sick when you think about how much you've been paying.

I have a 550 .375 Safari Magnum with upgraded American style stock. After glass bedding the action and some other adjustments the thing thinks it is a target rifle. It shoots better than any .375 I ever owned. CZ makes a fine rifle for the money and I will certainly own more.

They are exactly that, "a fine rifle for the money".
I picked up my CZ550 Safari in .416 Rigby at the Indianapolis gunshow for $750 OTD.
I love it.

Dave

Thanks to all for giving me perspective, two 9.3x62s, one .375 H&H and a .458 Lott aren't "too many" CZ550s!

actually, four is not enough...like eating popcorn...just one bowlful for me....okay, but just one more handful...

I would like to see them chamber for the 376 Steyr, and Towsley's 358UMT (Ultra Mag Towsley). I'm at three, two 416R's and the new mannlicher stocked 9,3x62mm...and I really only want a 30-06 and maybe another mannlicher in 257 Roberts for next season's niece mule deer hunt...honest.

Rich
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I am still espousing the theory that dan has Alzheimer's Disease. The symptoms are eerily similar.

if so many people here love them then they must be good.i just might get one.Are they accurate?On second thought when it comes to rifles americans do them right.I would like an american rifle with a mauser type action and a hammer-forged chrome moly barrel

I am officially a CZ owner for the first time in a long while. After a couple of runs with the 458 Lott I finally broke down and bought the 505 Gibbs! So far so good, I’ll post more details after I’ve had more time to play with the rifle.

Matt V.

shootaway,

we all would...it was called the pre-64 Model 70...RIP.

I always try and buy American. Some of the pricing structure just prevents that. Let me use the Ruger dangerous game rifle for an example, simply because I know someone who retired from the AZ plant as management. BTW, I had a P85 on loan for an article. He was telling me that the actual cost to produce the pistol was $80. They took that number and doubled it to the distributors. =$160. The distributor adds 50% markup and sells it to the dealers.
Dealer cost is $240. Dealer marks it up 50%. =$360. By coincidence, Ruger set the "suggested retail" at $359.95. You go in, haggle an hour or so, playing the "gimme a break..." game. You walk out the door with the pistol for $325. You're happy, so is the dealer. It's a seventy-nine dollar pistol for gosh' sakes!!!

Apply that here to the Ruger DGR. Basing costs and suggested on the the ladder program, that rifle cost Ruger say, $700 to build...they add their profit margin and sell it to distributors for $1050...who offer it to dealers for, say, ....$1399...the dealer, who being the guy with the store front, etc to maintain...hangs the Ruger suggested retail tag of $1975 on the dang thing...you haggle awhile and pay $1800...go home happy, until Momma sees the checkbook entry...

These numbers may not be dead on...but if you look in my thread "CZ's and the men who love them" and read about the new Ruger DG rifle post,...a dealer down southeast is selling them for under $1500 and posted his cost. The $$$ number any manufacturer gives the distributor is based on his actual cost and the going rate on similar competitors' products. As soon as Winchester went belly up we saw a price increase elsewhere.

As far as the rifle you wanted, it's called the CZ 550; and I really wish it were built here. But it ain't.

NOTE: I AM NOT PICKING ON RUGER...IT'S LIFE IN THE $3.00 A GALLON DIESEL FUEL ERA. They do the best they can, to try and survive...so does everybody else.

Welcome to Economics 101 class....


regards,


Rich

I am espousing the theory that dan has Alzheimer's Disease. The symptoms are eerily similar.

acutally, reading your posts makes me want to go out and buy a Ruger. I own a couple of businesses and try to make a little money. I am a Republican and want EVERYONE to have more money. And what makes you think CZ is working on razor thin margins. In a previous life I managed international projects and had a lot of stuff built in Eastern Europe. Trust me, people do not base manufacturing there because they pay an equal wage to an American or a Pommie.

CZ's are pretty rough and clunky as they come from the factory, but they can be made into pretty darn nice rifles for a not-to-high total price. That is the good thing about them-if you don't mind rough and clunky, then use as-is for a very low price. Or if you want something more refined, spend a relative little more and get more refinement from the base rifle.

Now everyone go out and buy a Ruger today!!!

I am probably one of the biggest Ruger “Junkies†around. Two thirds of my gun collection is made up of Ruger rifles. I think they are a great buy for the money even on the RSM (I got four).

My only gripe with Ruger is not delivering on their promises or simply taking forever to do so. Do you think we’ll ever see the 338 Lapua? The only reason I bought the CZ 505 Gibbs is because Ruger doesn’t make one (and I think the RSM would be a good platform).

My prediction is that the RSM as we know it will go the way of the dodo bird! I bet Ruger will eventually drop all the niceties of the RSM and offer their big bores in stripped down version (kind of like the disappearance of the express rifles in 30-06, 338, etc.).

Matt V.

Agreed Marc,

but if CZ is working on the same ladder as Ruger that means their rifle is built for $200 coming off the line...with a suggested retail of $999.95 (?)...and sold here at Cabela's for $750.

The other part of the equation is that six months ago, nobody at CZ likely paid any attention to the 505 Gibbs; and had never heard of the 550 Magnum.
The 505 can be bought right now!! and they will debut the 550 Magnum at the SHOT Show. You can tell Bill Ruger Sr is gone and a committee is running Ruger.

It's called Carpe Diem...and right now that IS CZ.

Rich
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I would choose Remington.

not in 404J, or 416 Rigby, or 338 Lapua, or 505 Gibbs...Remington has chosen not to enter the African big bore arena. Not with anything made here (and for how much longer?)or any imports like the 798 and 799. The last two have gone down hill in quality and upscale in $$$ since the Big R got the import rights to them.

Personally, I am concerned as whether Remington or will be able to mark "made in America (miA)" on center fire rifles much longer. I believe we have seen the end of miA on Winchester...who's next?

Sad...

Rich
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it would not surprise me in the least if it cost less than $200 to build a CZ rifle. I am 100% serious-I actually expect it to be that.

after finishing my 416 rigby 550 is one of the nicest rifles i own. I love it and will be taking my fisrt buff with it in 2007 i hope.

the guys i hunt with think so highly of them, that they bought a pair of 375s as knock around guns simply cos the price was right.

i bedded mine and put a nice recoil pad on it and had the feed and bolt lapped a little. it is a working mans tool, but its a good one.

cheers, tm

Marc, et al,

That's what my first dozen or so Rugers cost me...$240 bucks...out the door. I liked the old tang safety, dogleg bolt versions better than the current product. I also bought one of the first RSMs in 416 Rigby for less than a thousand dollars. I don't see where the new one is twice the (retail price)rifle.
I guess that is why you can stay in business building rifles at $4000+...there are no factory offerings that are up to snuff, as issue.

regards,

Rich
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