The 577 T-REX have much more energy than the 4-bore. But the 4-bore have a bigger bullet than the 577 T-REX.

Some buddy who want to tell me...?

I'd expect the 585 to be a bit more dramatic, due to the higher impact velocity.

1. Will a 4 bore kill a moose faster if it is a smooth bore, if it is a rifle, or if it is a paradox gun?

2. How much freebore should a 4 bore have?

Last time I checked,the little (in comparison)375 H&H Magnum killed moose VERY dead.

Your 460 Weatherby will kill,with reasonable shot placement,any moose on planet Earth VERY quickly.

So my question to you is-why do you think you need a 577 T-Rex or a 4-Bore to hunt moose?In case you don't know,these rifles are very expensive.Your could buy about 5 more 460 Weatherby rifles for what a 4-Bore would cost.You could duct tape them all together and run a wooden dowl through the trigger,then the moose would be hit with 6 500 grain bullets at once.Should knock him over.

LOL

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the first two were shot between 30-40yards
the third was shot at 80 yards and the 4th was shot at 15 yards.

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As far as, I am concerned I would use a 50 caliber something i.e. 505 Gibbs, 500 AHR, 500 Jeffery, 500 A-Square. The 585 pushes too hard. The 4 bore if it is anything like my fathers 8 bore has the trajectory of a 55 pound recurve bow, if you are lucky. Besides don't you want to eat some of that yummy moose?

Todd E

How was the effect when you shoot moose whit your 4-bore.....?

It seems that many here have a hard time understanding that a 300, 338, 375, or a 416 cannot punch a 5" - 6" diameter hole in an animal but a 500 or 585 can. Believe me the 500+ rifles with soft points can and do puch 5" to 6" holes in soft tissue! If you cannot believe this oh well. I personally think that Overkill continues this just to pick on you guys that do not believe/accept the awesome "killing power" of the truly big guns.

Now I doubt that a pair of size 12 boots could be made to fit in a wound channel generated by either the 577 or 4 bore, but you can get fists into these wound channels.

Todd E

[This message has been edited by Todd E (edited 03-02-2002).]

Please tell me more about that big bores to big holes.....!

I have been thinking for a long time that, a lets say a 585 nyati whit soft point bullets at 2400 f/s will do bigger wound channels than the bullet diameter, becauce the energy.

When you shoot a moose whit a woodleigh soft point from a 585 nyati and it expand to a big diameter then it is going to push up the wound channels in the animal whit the high energy....

That is what i think....

What do you think Todd....

I guess at a certain point, you have to realize that accuracy and penetration, and hitting a vital organ, are what kill, not bullet diameter, and velocity.

If a buffalo can go 60 yards, after getting hit with a 4 bore, what do you have to hit it with to 'knock it down'?

I am an advocacy of bullet diameter, since, in pistols, you know you can't "shock" game with any velocity you could still fire.

You have a big, hole punch press, with a 45 or larger, pistol.

In the larger calibers, I suspect you can punch a bigger hole, and this is more effective. However, at a certain point, you can't get enough bullet speed to get any sort of slap, so you rely on bullet weight, and design, to cut a very large hole in whatever you are shooting at.
For that reason, a 45 caliber bullet, at lower velocities, can be just as effective as a 375, at higher velocities. They both cut a long, straight wound channel, regardless of velocity.

Perhaps the old black powder guys had the right idea. A huge, hard, heavy bullet, at moderate velocity, will go through just about anything, without deforming, and cut a very large wound channel.

The advantages of the big bores, to me, is not that they kill more quickly, but that they are much more reliable, since, instead of relying on bullet expansion, or percise shot placement, you have a larger bullet, creating a larger wound channel, and more bleeding, and, not relying on bullet expansion to do the work. In other words, if you want 100% reliable, killing power, a large bore rifle, with a very hard, flat nose slug, will cut a large, straight, wound channel, with no deflection, and, if you place the shot right, you have zero chance of the bullet deflecting, or breaking up, etc.

In other words, you can bet your life on the rifle killing what is trying to kill you.

what advantage do any of these rifles have over a 460 WBY?

Lower pressure, larger hole, and no bullet expansion to worry about.
Trade off is recoil God can't handle...

gs

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Overkill, this questions of your's has been asked and answered by me before. The answer is still the same. Wound channels are a function of bullet diameter, length and energy. I will believe that to my dying day!

Todd E

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Originally posted by HiWall:
I am glad I am not a Svedish Mooz, coz I would not like to have a pair of shoes pushed into my hole.

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I believe Overkill thinks "boots" and "booty" are related words.

-- Mats

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If it isnt the wound channel size who kill a animal, what is it then....