In some discussions I cam across a company that made machined extractors for the M70's. Not williams and they had them in stock. I am unable to locate their website now or find it online. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Seems williams is a bit flaky availability. The others were CNC machined as well and I think from the pacific northwest as well.

Thanks!

OK it was wisners inc, but are 50% more money. But maybe they actually are obtainable?

Wisners will tell you flat out if they have any in stock. I think PTG is going to start offering M70 parts as well.

ETA: I want to clarify. Wisners will say if they have them in stock or not. If not in stock they will typically tell you to check back in a month or couple of months as they makje them in batches and not everyday.

I got a couple of good looking ones from Winchester recently for $40 or less.

They may be the williams ones and that may be where they are all at. Listed at $38 I think?

Are the current winchester productiom machined extractors? My 2 90's vintage have mim cast, and my 2004-5 has a machined one with M-R marking. If the new winny's are machined I'll just buy them as the williams are impossible to find.

Thanks

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Originally posted by airgun1:
I got a couple of good looking ones from Winchester recently for $40 or less.

Nice looking with M-R is what I got. They sure didn't look cast. I have asked about the M-R marking with no response in the past.

I talked to the dude at williams and that is a williams extractor he said. Also for some reason Brownells is holding up the sale of the extractors. He says they have his whole inventory but are somehow fubar'd as to listing them on the sight. He said he will give them a few more weeks...

It would be nice to be able to get some. I need 2....

OK I guess you can order the williams from brownell over the phone. Price 52.99. the new winchesters are machined as well and go for $40. Which one would you guys buy for the money?

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Originally posted by airgun1:
Nice looking with M-R is what I got. They sure didn't look cast. I have asked about the M-R marking with no response in the past.

Those are Williams made, fully machined from bar stock.
M-R is the Williams designation for Magnum, Right Hand. I have a lefthand one I got direct from Williams, that's marked M-L. No other markings on it.

The cast USRAC items have a raised X in a circle mark, and nothing else. However, there are some other telltale signs of a casting, like the square end to the extractor collar slot.

FYI I talked to the guy at Winchester and had him grab one and it is machined with M-R on the tail, so I am assuming it is the williams. It is $13 less from winchester. I'll examine them when they get here and update as to what they are selling.

FYI received my extractors from winchester, they are machined with MR on the tail and appear by all counts to be williams. At $40 a good deal cheaper than through Brownell (if you can get them) but I will saay the accounting at winchester is sub par and they screwed up my order and still no invoice.

Otherwise not too bad dealing with Winchester parts. The shipping was abit pricey but once I get an invoice I'll know for sure. Picked up a couple of the factory "Ivory" front sights, they look OK as well.

By the way, MIM is a powder metallurgical process, not a casting process. Metal powder is blended with an organic compound, injection molded into the desired shape and then sintered to full density, after the organics have been removed chemically.

If the right material and processes are used, the metallurgical properties of MIM parts are at least equal to those of typical machined gun parts.

A similar misconception is when people advertise some product as "machined from solid bar stock" or give similar qualifications. In these cases, machining from solid is typically just the cheapest production method for small quantities, while a mass produced forging would yield even better properties.

That is true and all, but I have had many MIM parts fail on handguns that see hard use and all are replaced with machined parts. MIM is cheaper to produce for sure, but inferior in quality in most gun applications that I have encountered. I'll take the machined extractor over the MIM part. Injection molded does not give me the warm fuzzies. And just looking at the parts they seem higher quality IMHO

Whats wrong with the stock extractors?

I am not sure at all what the issue is here either, I have never changed an extractor on any of my Winchester M70s, some having 1000s of rounds through them, never a broken one, never an issue, never a problem? Why change it if it works 100% of the time? Of course, anything can break, it's made my man, but I would say chances are pretty good if anyone can break one, I can, and I have not done so yet?

Michael

Just as a point of information, was told many years ago that the Springfield 1903 extractor could replace the Win. Mod. 70. It is shorter than the Winchester, but supposedly will fit/work?? As for strength, doubt there is any question about that with the Springfield extractor. As others pointed out, have used both for many a year and never had a problem.