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Originally posted by 505G:
What about the jaw bone ?

On quite a few animals it is one of the toughest bones and will stop bullets.

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Originally posted by 505G:
The jaw bone of a Water Buffalo hit in the right place will stop a SN bullet dead in it's tracks.

I shot a Water Buff, one of the shots hit the jaw.
Anyway, I asked my mate who was very experienced and he said the jaw bone was deadly on bullets (obvioulsy the teeth don't help).

So I lined up a couple of Buff with the 500
and shot right into the curve of the jaw bone.

The left bone broke or had a hole in it,
the bullet lodge part way through the inside of the other curve on the other side.

That was from 5 - 8 feet away.

Anything that stops a 570gn bullet
at that distance is pretty hard IMHO.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
505,

With all due respect the bullet wasn't stopped by the first jaw bone hit. What happens after that is immaterial as it isn't going to kill the animal any way. What is important is if it would keep the bullet from reaching the brain. That isn't likely with any well designed soft point in a caliber suitable for buff. A shot that hits the jaw bone was a poor shot anyway. The only exception I can see to that is on a very tall elephant that is very close and you have to shoot up to hit the brain on a side brain shot. In that case you will hit the ascending ramus but no where near the curve of the jaw unless you are under the elephant.
465H&H

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Originally posted by shootaway:
465,
I am sure you never shot a buff in the head with a soft.

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Originally posted by Andy:
Here is a 465 grain bronze TCCI (Same as A-Square) into cow elephant jaw and molars at 9 paces. MV 2500 fps.



465 grain RN that was recovered in molar is deformed. Same bullet recovered from head is not. Penetration only 31-39 inches, about like they do in water tank). NF FN that penetrated 64 inches of elephant skull to right.

Buffalo, BBS #13 cannot be most destructive 458 unless it has alot more frontal area than I think it does. Can you give me a link?

Andy

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by shootaway:
465,
I am sure you never shot a buff in the head with a soft.

Shoots,

You're dreaming if you think a properly constructed soft point will not penetrate a Buff's head when fired from a big bore rifle such as your Lott or my 500NE.

In 09, I shot a buff head on square between the eyes at about 40 yards with a 570 gr TXS in my 500NE. The bullet exited the rear of the skull, re-entered the hump behind the head, and traveled 20 inches or so before stopping.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by shootaway:
465,
I am sure you never shot a buff in the head with a soft.

Shoots,

You're dreaming if you think a properly constructed soft point will not penetrate a Buff's head when fired from a big bore rifle such as your Lott or my 500NE.

In 09, I shot a buff head on square between the eyes at about 40 yards with a 570 gr TXS in my 500NE. The bullet exited the rear of the skull, re-entered the hump behind the head, and traveled 20 inches or so before stopping.

A 500gr TSX sometimes expands and sometimes it doesn`t-that is a fact.If it encounters fluids in front it will expand and penetration will be less than a 500 swift or 550 Woodleigh SP.It could be that the 570gr TSX did not expand in the buffs head.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
[URL= ]500gr TSX from back stop(100yds)[/URL]
[URL= ]500 gr A-frames from backstop(100yds)[/URL]

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I have a bunch of these somewhere but I'm not sure where I put them as they don't amount to much. They all look the same.

A .416, 400gr TSX taken out of the range backstop. No fluids necessary for expansion.