This is a Wilkins .700 NE for sale at Champlins for $67,500.

A Farqharson 700 Nitro:

Hmmmpf! 'suspect that they come up f'r sale about five minutes after the chappie that ordered one picks h'mself up off the ground! Damned silly idea, in m'opinion!

No sillier than that 'accent' you're affecting.

George

yes but my 700 nitro can be had for much less and it will do every thing they will do.

the 700's at least are becoming a tad bit more popular and your seeing more of them at least.

That is the .700 NE owned by 700 nitro of this forum, currently for sale at Westley Richards for $42K.

http://www.westleyrichards.com/gun/used_guns_2_product.php?id=25310

thanks for the posting link.

Hmmm... I just can't make up my mind. Should I buy the Searcy 700 NE for $42K, or get this David McKay Brown 470 NE for $46K.



What would it cost to replicate the Searcy? What would it cost to replicate the DMK given the current exchange value of the Dollar? Any ideas on delivery times?

I just don't know what to do. Help me figure this one out.

Forrest,

I think for $46K you are getting into sidelock territory with a higher dollar name, such as this Holland & Holland Royal .465 NE sidelock for $48K:



Or a higher dollar caliber such as this Francotte .577 NE sidelock which costs exactly $46K:



If you are thinking of a boxlock, this Westley Richards .470 is only $20K:



That David Mackay Brown .470 is nice looking, but it would not stir me to pay $26K more than the price of the Westley Richards boxlock.

forrst check your pms i sent ya a pm

My vote is for the 577 Francotte.

By the way, Forrest, I thought you didn't like anything over 416 caliber?

Here's some more beauties: www.drake.net

quote:

Originally posted by 700 nitro:
forrst check your pms i sent ya a pm

700 nitro, I think Forrest was joking with you.

dammit man......lol......ah man i need more sleep......to much work makes a guy go nuts.

What is the difference between box lock and side lock and why does one cost a lot more.

Mike

500 Grains,

The David MacKay Brown on a Dickson type Round action is probably the best double rifle made in the UK in the opinion of one of the foremost independent British experts. I shall invite the gentleman in question to comment on this gun - he is a member on the Nitro Express forums and does come here often though he does not post here. For some reason John Dickson don't make double rifles on their action and the David MacKay Browns are the only rifles that are made on this immensely strong action as far as I know.

Good hunting!

If I had 30K burning a hole in my pocket, I think it would be tough for me to keep from owning this 8-bore H&H.



Best,

JohnTheGreek

This thread is heaven! Nothing can compare with the pictures of Fine Double Rifles!

mehulkamdar, can you tell us how the Dickson action differs mechanically from the standard A&D boxlock?

Thanks.

JohnTheGreek

That 8 bore would be great for birds in Egypt


I would take the David McKay Brown and be happy, 700 is too much in all aspects

Cheers
/ JOHAN

The Dickson action is a floorplate action. That is to say, instead of having the works attatched to the sides of the "box" as in Anson and Deeley, everything is hooked onto the floorplate/trigger guard. This makes it very simple to work on because you just take off/out the triggerguard and the rest of the works drop into your hand. Westley Richards removeable boxlock is similar but later. The true joy of the round actions (Dickson, McNaughton, MacKay Brown) is the extreme shortness of the metalwork. Such guns are quicker and livelier that any side or box lock can be. Wouldbe connoiseurs swank about the alleged superiority of the sidelock but that is largely due to the greater expense in building them and the greater area for embellishment that the plates allow. Geoffrey Boothroyd, who knew more about British guns and the British gun industry than everybody wrote volumes about the varieties of both the sidelock and the boxlock. However, he shot a round action by Dickson.

Two years ago, I was chatting with David MacKay Brown at Reno and he told me that he had built a round action for Bill Ruger and that it was one of the few guns in that immense collection which were not sold upon the man's death. I strongly believe that the MacKay Brown is the direct ancestor of the Ruger Gold double gun. Someday, I even hope to own one because I'll never be able to afford a MacKay Brown unless I win a lottery or something.

Oldsarge, thanks for that explanation. I am sure you could afford a DMB rifle if you gave up certain amenities in your life such as that $500 pith helmet!

While we are on the topic of rifles that cost the same as a Mercedes Benz, here is a nice Army Navy .600 NE for just $45K:

Gawrsh! I realize that the gentry can afford that much for headgear from London but I am a mere budget bwana who got his from Tagsafari for under $60. Up Cheap!

Or a best quality Westly Richards sidelock .470 for $45K:

quote:

Originally posted by JOHAN:
That 8 bore would be great for birds in Egypt

The borrowed Miroku sidelock 20 guage I used a few months ago was just fine. Thanks to Erik for letting me use it!

John

And this Jeffery .600 NE is a deal at $37.5K:

700NE,
Is your 700NE Searcy a Leftie?

Oldsarge,

Thanks for posting the Dickson details. I do hope that you get the DMB someday - lottery or some other way. Good luck!

500 Grains,

Thanks for posting some superb pictures of great guns. This is a lovely weekend thing to do - looking at them.

Good hunting, friends!

quote:

Originally posted by 700 nitro:
yes but my 700 nitro can be had for much less and it will do every thing they will do.

the 700's at least are becoming a tad bit more popular and your seeing more of them at least.

700 nitro, the reason we are seeing them for sale more, today, is because they became popular till a few people yealded to their desire to have a "LOOK AT ME" rifle to empress there friends, till they found the damn things were useless, for anything but to jar your retinas loose, and break you back carrying them.

A rifle that is truly popular, is one that is made in large quanities, but you seldom see for sale used! People who buy the most usefull doubles, rarely sell them! Try and find a very clean used double rifle chambered for 450/400 3", and you will find they are not very available, eventhough thousands were made, by every maker of double rifles. The only ones you find are those that have been through the weeds, or completly re-done, and not many of those!

Considering the number of 700NE doubles made, by all makers combined, one sees several for sale all the time, and those are near new! You guess what the reason for that is!

Man o' man!

This thread is really hardcore gun-porn!

Great pictures!

jpb

quote:

Originally posted by MacD37:
700 nitro, the reason we are seeing them for sale more, today, is because they became popular till a few people yealded to their desire to have a "LOOK AT ME" rifle to empress there friends, till they found the damn things were useless, for anything but to jar your retinas loose, and break you back carrying them.

A rifle that is truly popular, is one that is made in large quanities, but you seldom see for sale used! People who buy the most usefull doubles, rarely sell them! Try and find a very clean used double rifle chambered for 450/400 3", and you will find they are not very available, eventhough thousands were made, by every maker of double rifles. The only ones you find are those that have been through the weeds, or completly re-done, and not many of those!

Considering the number of 700NE doubles made, by all makers combined, one sees several for sale all the time, and those are near new! You guess what the reason for that is!

And that, minus silly accent, is exactly my point! You go Mac! Useful double calibers stop at about the .500 NE. Beyond that, even the professional ivory hunters made less use of them than is popularly believed. If it weren't for a truly DUMB British officer's decision to stop the sales of .45 caliber rifles in India and the Sudan all the proprietary oddballs, like .465, .470, etc. wouldn't even exist and double rifles would be built in sensible, shootable, portable calibers like the .450/400, .450 NE and a small handful of others. I don't mind humpin' a 10-11 lb. rifle, even in my a-long-way-from-young condition, but those behemoths from .577 on up are for people in need of something useful to do.

yes my 700 is a lefty but the nice thing about a double is it can be restocked very easy for a right handed shooter.

Rigby prewar sidelock .470 for $40K:

Yep they are taking over the big bore market, probably 5 of them in existence and one has shot an elephant, wounding it and yes it got completely away, but he shot another and killed that one....

I love all these pictures of nice double rifles, but please make mine a 470 on the top side and a 450-400 on the bottom...

Let's see of how many .700 NE rifles that we know of for sure. These are the ones that I am certain of, but the various makers may have made more than one.

Holland & Holland - 2
Searcy - 1
Watson Bros. - 1
Wilkins - 1
custom single shots - 2
Saeed's bolt gun - 1

Do you guys know of others?

600 Westley:

600 McNaughton:

600 Clayton Nelson:

577 Holland:

4 Bore Prussian Daly:

4 Bore (unknown maker):

i know of

7 h&h
4 searcy
3 watson bros
3 ferlach
1 jk wikins
10 farqusons
5 bolt actions like seaeed's
3 westly richards.


these are all 700's and there are more but these i know of for shure

With so many .700 NE rifles floating around, the price is sure to go down.

Symes and Wright built 2, I believe.

quote:

Originally posted by 700 nitro:
i know of

7 h&h
4 searcy
3 watson bros
3 ferlach
1 jk wikins
10 farqusons
5 bolt actions like seaeed's
3 westly richards.


these are all 700's and there are more but these i know of for shure

Are you absolutely certain that those numbers are correct? I doubt there are 5 bolt action .700 NE's like Saeeds. And where did you see 10 Farquarsons in .700 NE? Are the Ferlach rifles made by Hambrusch or someone else there?

The numbers from the other manufacturers will be easy to verify.

500 Grains,

Peter Hambrusch has his bolt action for the 700 NE which he calls his Mega Magnum. Johan Fanzoj also chamber for them though I have no idea about the number of guns they have made. Fanzoj make doubles, and not bolt actions. Some years ago I had some communication with Hannes Fanzoj there and he was extremely helpful and pleasant to talk to. You could e-mail him if you like.

Good hunting!