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<BMG> |
Axel, You've been here for what, a month, and you start attacking a respected member with 'street cred'? Back off, sit down, and chill out. Discussing ideas without personal attacks is what this area is for, please play nice. | ||
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Axel/TROLL/DEMPLE i.e TODD E CLONE- You have been Tested, You have been Measured and you have been unequivocably demonstrated to be nothing but a TROLL. I challenged you to prove me wrong with facts and PICTURES and you won't rise to the bait. Why not? You continue to be a PATHETIC LOSER and I frankly enjoy your whining. I find your rantings frankly rather amusing and the more you rant the more fun I have with you. I will continue to expose you at every opportunity! You have succeded in making an ENEMY out of me which few others have ever done and I will show you no mercy! -Rob | |||
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If I may ... you two guys are both mature men. You both have a strong interest in rifles and enough mechanical saavy to "roll your own". How much more in common could you possibly have? You got off on the wrong foot ... big deal. I predict you'll become buddies just as quickly as this altercation began. 500 Grains is right, "It's time to chill out" and get on with contributing good stuff for your fellow members. | |||
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<Per577> |
Hey guys ,,yess you should chill out.First of all, no-one like to be critized for not being competent,,and i do not questioning Robgunbuiders knowledge,and experience,,,and i'm also sure that this Alex know a thing or "two". My point will finally be that when someone had a bad day,,one should think twice before posting something "funny".When you post to be provokative,,the message should at least be of a constructive caracter,,,define "constructive critisism" !.i guess there are 3 things worth mentioning when you start trowing shit at each other,,and that would be; NUMBER 1: MISUNDERSTANDINGS NUMBER 2: YOU HAVE BEEN HURT(EMOTIONALLY,by friends and family or your wife,sure she can) NUMBER 3: YOU ARE AFRAID(THAT SOMEONE ARE "MORE"COMPETENT& AND TRY TO "CLIMB" HIGHER ) tell me i'm wrong !!So cheer up folks !You sure don't have anything to do in the business of trampling on each others values,,but that's another subject iwon't discuss furthr. I'm sure you both will continue delivering important contributions to the firearms univers to help educate,informate and not at least entertain people like me,he,he(cause i have much more to learn). And Wisdom conquers hate,,big time !! | ||
<Axel> |
Well I apologize to all you guys for questioning what I thought was a wrong statement regarding the strength of the M700 action. I did not believe my questioning of that statement was hostile, until that is I was attacked FIRST! I have learned my lesson though. I will never question the knowledge of any of the experts on this site! I can clearly see now how the M700 is weaker than a M70, CZ550, M77, etc. I mean it. I was wrong! I am a pathetic idiot who knows nothing. I stand in the shadow of all of your greatness. I will be humble and meek. I further promise to never again indulge my ignorance by making any comments whatsoever, which may appear to illustrate that I am capable of thought! It has been proven beyond any doubt that I am a thoughtless troll! Please call me alex, trollE, todd, toddE, moron, or any other name you see fit. I, like the unwanted neighborhood stray, will answer to anything. I just hope and dream that someday I am smart enough to figure out how a gun works as well as you do! Perhaps someone could explain to me which end the bullets come out of. I would hate to accidently shoot myself out of my unbelievable ignorance! With few exceptions I have been treated like the proverbial POS on this site. I have also seen with few exceptions any real knowledge. I have seen an incredible amount of self righteousness, self worship, disrespectfullness, etc. Keep up the good work Robgunbuilder. When will you start making autoloaders? I mean accurate autoloaders! I am ignorant, but I have heard they are a bit tougher to build than a bolt gun. Good day, Axel | ||
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Axel- I came to this site a few years ago to share what I've learned with others and to learn new things. It's been very worthwhile and I've made many friends as you have just found out! I've actually spent a considerable amount of time and money making parts for people, organizing collective purchases and just plain trying to help others avoid making mistakes. Believe it or not, I was in fact doing the same for you with respect to the M700 to 460 WBY conversion. I really don't want to see people get hurt! Many of the folks here including myself are darned good doctors, scientists and just plain Big Bore Rifle Nuts. we collectively have a tremendous amout of knowledge and we share it continuosly. This is just a hobby to me and frankly I have many other hobbies just as interesting. My whole self worth isn't tied to gunsmithing I can assure you! We are not stupid people here and I can assure you won't be treated that way. Some of us are actually Exceedingly good machinists( I think you would actually be shocked to know just how much experience even I have) and gunsmiths. We often disagree, and that's healthy. You have gotten off on the wrong foot and with the wrong person and that is regrettable. It does not bother me in the slightest that you disagree with me or in fact that you have a poor opinion of me. This is a free country and that's your right. I have and always will let my deeds and work speak for me and I'm not ashamed to do so publicly ( If you have researched my 900 or so posts you will see published facts and proof in pictures.Professionally I hold numerous patents and also publish my work. By the way this didn't come easily! To attack my personal credability either scientifically or technically will not get you very far. It's also not nice to question my financial situation, education level, or how much time I spend on my hobbies as again you don't know what you don't know. You are correct in that I have been insulting, but you have a very strange way of behaving when your challenged and you succeeded in pissing me off. Most people who come to this website for the first time don't deceide on attacking the big dogs till they get their feet wet. It's not good to piss me off as you've just found out. Trust me, I can be a formidable and relentless enemy. Others say I'm just as relentless and formidable as a friend and I have many of them. How do you want to proceed? You don't have to like me, but you Will respect me.-Rob | |||
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With all due respect Axel, I've read all of the posts that started this whole mess. Rob was only trying to help you and prevent possible injury. He's right, you really have a very odd way of dealing with what seemed to me to be constructive criticism. If you feel as though you've been treated as the provebial POS on this site, consider the fact that you may have brought it upon yourself. If I have a question I ask it. If it doesn't turn out to be the answer I wanted to hear I swallow my pride and go away a bit unhappy but a bit wiser as well. I can certainly see why you angered Rob. I own 37 guns of various and sundry varieties, several of them home built and I absolutely hate when people say there is no way I own as many as I do. You did this to Rob on Ming's 500 Ninja post. Don't attack someone who is a serious collector and expect not to get bitten in the process. If you want to be treated with respect then give it in turn and act like a grown man. Your appology was less an appology than another snide attack. TAKE A PILL AND COME BACK WHEN YOU CAN ACT LIKE A HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Respectfully CZ 550 | |||
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<Axel> |
Robgunbuilder, fine. You are obviously a better man than I. Please explain to me again the following: I still do not understand how you saved me from a 460 Weatherby on a M700. I also do not understand why the M700 lock-up is weaker than the M70, CZ550, or M77. All of these rifle actions have been used for the big Weatherby. I also do not understand how you can determine stresses in an action without understanding the actions dimensions. Perhaps it is just that I was foreign educated and that explains my gross ignorance in engineering. I am not being hostile. I truly do not understand your position, scientifically. Axel | ||
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Axel/ToddE- I'm not going to cover the same old ground again! Get over it! Your not helping yourself at all. Your free to disagree with me, but your way of doing so is insulting and isn't helping you at all.-Rob | |||
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<Axel> |
Robgunbuilder, I am sincere. It is obvious you feel that there is a significant strength difference between these actions. I am only trying to understand why. I don't understand verbal explanations very well. If you could provide some numerical explanation it would help me tremendously. Why does everyone call me ToddE? I do not know who this is. My name is Axel Dempel as I have stated before. I do not disrespect you by calling you other than by your chosen name, why do you disrespect me? I have asked for your assistance in understanding your position. Your previous post was hard for me to follow as you spoke of 50 BMG actions and such. Of course a 50 BMG action is stronger than any of these actions! If you do not wish to help me understand your position say so. Insults and name calling are not necessary. Axel | ||
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Axel, If you do not know who Todd E is, then why did you seek his opinion along with, as I remember Ray Atkinson and Mac37, on double rifles Mike | |||
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<Big Bore Bob> |
To the "Formidable and Relentless Enemy"... Years ago, a very wise competitor of mine told me: "What commands respect is valuable input... when we give that, we get that. If we're going to react with namecalling, no respect is given, received, or deserved... no matter who "started it"." I guess I did learn something from him. I have since bought his company, and sold it off at a substancial profit. Anyway, I've been monitoring these posts for almost a couple of years now. In my watching, I have observed that "This site was started by a group of shooters, whose interests include hunting, target shooting and plain plinking. The idea was to share what we have learned from hunting, reloading, gunsmithing and any other shooting related ideas. " That, is why I have continued to follow this site, and not dismiss it with the myriad of others out there. I haven't had the time to really delve in and become part of the interchange, until recently. I've made my fortunes, have retired young, and now have time to play. I have only recently gotten involved in the pursuits of tinkering with big-bores, having been mired in the now seemingly mundane world of tweaking long-range medium bores for too many years. There's not much legal call for the ability to consistently hit someone in the head at 1000 meters (is there??) . Time for something new. Therfore, in lieu of posturing with our spine hairs up, how about we offer our insight in plain 'ol english so that those a little less experienced can understand. Everyone doesn't have the same level of expertise or experience that some others of us may have. So... What exactly is the difference that makes the 700 action unsuitable? I wouldn't use one myself, but probably not for the same reasons... | ||
<Axel> |
Mike375, I know of ToddE. I DO NOT know him. I discovered him in my research on double rifles. Does that answer your question? Axel | ||
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Axel, Try this. From your post: "Why does everyone call me ToddE? I do not know who this is" I know who who George Bush is but I do not know him. You must have have known who he is if you seeked him out for double rifle advice. Mike | |||
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<Axel> |
Mike375, you seem intent upon picking a fight. i came across several of ToddE's posts regarding double rifles in my research of THAT SUBJECT. I did not realize that he had been banished. People have been calling me by HIS name as though I were he. I am not! Do you understand this? I have seen President Bush. I know of him as well. I have not personally met him. Of these three I can only say I know of ToddE, I do not know him personally nor have I seen him. Axel | ||
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Axel, From your post: Why does everyone call me ToddE? I do not know who this is That statement is one which is about "never heard of" Yet he was one of three who you would seek advice on double rifles. No I am not picking a fight. I am just grilling your statements like you are doing with others and then you read it as picking a fight. By the way, you were picked for Todd E very early on. Enjoy yourself. Mike | |||
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<biff> |
Axel, I don't know you, well for that matter I don't know Rob either but from your early posts it has appeared that you were gunning for him, the 460 WBY thread that started this all there were at least 2 other posts that made the same contention that was put forth by Rob yet you singled him out in your disagreement. Maybe I am wrong and if so I apologize, but I have read here for quite a while and as my profle shows haven't posted all that much but it has been my experience that Rob is a standup poster and hasn't warranted the attacks that you have directed his way. I am also sure that he doesn't need me to defend him by any stretch, but I feel like there is some mistreatment going on here. Take a step back and myabe evaluate the style in which you post, if you really know as much as you claim it will be evident in the advise you offer even if it is in disagreement with longstanding posters and I will be the first to welcome you. Like I say I don't know if you are ToddE, if you aren't then you have found yourself in bad company if you are then you sir (term used lightly) need to get a life. gabe | ||
<KBGuns> |
"Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experiance." Words to remember for a happy life on internet forums. [ 09-27-2002, 00:25: Message edited by: KBGuns ] | ||
<Axel> |
Now I am an idiot, or am I reading that last post backward? If not I must conclude that the old saying "ignorance is bliss" has been proven once again. Mike375, you are picking fight and you know it. YOU are nitpicking and you know it. Such a childish behavior. I only asked some questions of Robgunbuilder due to his strong assertion. To date he has not provided any mathematical explanation to substantiate his claims. Strength is an engineering measurement. It is determined analytically through calculations and this mathematical model is then validated through experiment. Mr. Robgunbuilder has refused to answer my questions and resorted instead to name calling. It is obvious from the quality of men on this site that most of you are both ignorant and childish. I wonder if any of you actually own firearms. I say this as I have never experienced such childish and immature behavior at the shooting range. I find most, if not all, the shooters that I have associated with over the years to be just the opposite of so many of you here. I am of course referring to their high level of maturity and responsibility. If they said do not do something they knew exactly why and could provide an explanation that ANYONE could accept. Robgunbuilder has not been able to perform this function for me. His friends then gang up on me like so many unruly shool yard bullies. I would not want to go shooting or hunting with any of you immature "men". Axel | ||
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quote:Sorry, but I couldn't pass up a recent experience at our local, public range. I'm on the pistol range, working up some loads for my contender, and I sh** you not, I'm finishing up a 5 round string, about to fire, and some dummy saunders down range to retrieve his target. No calling for a sease fire or anything. It was truly one of those moments where you say to yourself, no, people can't be truly this stupid. Some folks truly should not own guns, but I'd say the majority of this group should. | |||
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<Axel> |
Paul H, Perhaps that is why I have met so few. The stupid immature ones have been previously weeded out! Your experience is TRULY unnerving in the ignorance, no stupidty of the perpetrator! Axel | ||
<KBGuns> |
You must have a gilty mind Axel. My post had no names in it. It could just aswell be aimed at RGB. I am new to this forum, my member number is only 9 lower then yours. I am not part of the old crew. Yet you think right away that I am refering to you. I bet you that RGB doesnot think I am refering to him in my previous post. Axel, The more you post, the more you expose that you know exactly what you are doing. That the heat you get is your desired effect. Not that this is bad, every forum needs a flamer to keep the archives growing. Just know that I know, that you know, that I know, you know what you are doing. [ 09-27-2002, 05:13: Message edited by: KBGuns ] | ||
<Axel> |
KB, may I call you KB? I know what I am talking about. I also know that RGB either is a fool or a liar. It is a widely published fact that a M700 is the strongest two lug bolt action in it's class. He made a contradictory statement to this and I pointed out the incorrectness in his comment. He then got very nasty with me. As far as I am concerned he is a conceited ass. The more he fences with me the more "normal" people will see him for what he is. I believe he has figured that out ; however, and has since played a bit nicer. This is fine with me. I would prefer to share experiences and knowledge here. I will remember in the future NEVER to question RGB, though. It is simply not worth the aggravation! As far as, I am concerned he can think himself all knowing. He seems to have several friends who are ignorant at best, to completely stupid. I do not know which. After all this is an internet chat room. An intelligent person takes the advise given here with a grain of salt and leaves it at that. RGB seems to be incapable of this simple feat, however. We are after all talking about someone who thinks the laws of physics revolve around HIS opinion. I wish he would call his friends off though. I guess if they do not subside with their immature antics I will simply go elsewhere. It is a large internet afterall. I have studied this ToddE guys some. I think I know why so many here hate this guy. He seems to be a very intelligent individual that played on these guys ignorance. He would say one thing that was completely true and then twist it into a falsehood. Many of the posters here would then latch onto this incorrect statement as fact. ToddE then would expose them by admitting to lying about the validity of this incorrect comment exposing everyone as a fool. This ToddE guy was evil incarnate. I do not believe I have done anything like this to anyone. You should go and study this ToddE character he is "unique" and undoubtedly deserves these guy's disdain. I know I would not like to be treated the way he seems to have treated people here. Actually, I think RGB should be extremely happy I am not ToddE. I believe this ToddE would have eaten RGB for breakfast in a trolling war. Axel | ||
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Axel, mistaking you for Todd E. was wrong, you must be Mondele. | |||
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<Hunter - DownUnder> |
Can you feel the LOVE?????? This pissing contest is going nowhere. Axel you need to take it easy... go read the humor section for a while. | ||
<Axel> |
Who in the world is Mondele? Actually calling me anyone other than Axel is mistaken. I think that is the reason I don't just leave! I want to all to understand that you have treated me like crap by insulting me. I have told you who I am and you insist I am someone I am not. Are you people all insane? | ||
<KBGuns> |
There is a thread in the Reloading forums titled 'Who really knows'. It is much about what is going on right here. Relating to opinion, preception, fact(4 letter word begining with 'F', i.e. the 'F' word), and the damn internet. I am very very new to the custom rifle game. I can not argue any one here on action streinths and the like. I come here for help, and I believe I have gotten it. The info I have gotten here from any one has specced out. Wich means I checked what I was told, and it seems I have been told right. That said, I wondered my self at the mention of a 50BMG based anything in a 98 action. I have held the 2 side by side and it did not look like a good idea. I do not however doubt that it can or has been done. Every thing I have been able to think of so far has been done. Can it be done does not mean it should be done. One person arguing what can be done verse, another argueing what should be done will never get any where, as both people can be correct. If there is no harm in some one building a M700 in 460WM. Then what is the harm in them being told not too build such a rifle? [ 09-27-2002, 06:30: Message edited by: KBGuns ] | ||
<Axel> |
If you reread my posts on the M700 460 Weatherby I said that the RGB comment about the M700 being too weak was incorrect, while the CZ, M70, etc would be ok. You may notice that the controlled round feed actions seem to be satisfactory while the push feed is not. The truth, again widely published, is that due to ejector blade slots, extractor claw slots, etc the controlled round feed actions tend to be weaker that the push feeds. I then, went on to say I would not recomend the M700 for the big Weatherby either. Personally, I do not know why a M700 would not work satisfactorily. The M700's available bolt face is very nearly identical in diameter to the Mk V. The "ring of steel" on the bolt is there only to keep the rim engaged with the extractor long enough for the case to exit the chamber sufficiently to allow for positive ejection. The "ring of steel" on the bolt is not structural in nature. The comments made to that effect are marketing only! I do not pretend to know all the answers. I know what I know and I freely pass it along to those that are respectful and ask nicely. Of course according to the "experts" on this site that have been so welcoming I am FOS! You be the judge. Most of the people that do not recommend the M700 for Rigby sized cases also sell their own actions I recall. I wonder if there could be a conflict of interests. I have seen two 338 Lapua magnums built on M700's. To my knowledge both rifles work fine. Good day, Axel [ 09-27-2002, 06:22: Message edited by: Axel ] | ||
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Axel plus ToddE equals same person? DING DING DING!!! Thats correct!! Tell him what he's won Johnny! The more you talk the more I grow to dislike you. You are truly poor at appologizing and even worse at lies. Why can't you use this sight for what it was intended, giving and recieving advice, and not on venting your rage on Rob who was only trying to do his best to help you. You and your split personality need to collectively grow up. Enjoy your night Todd | |||
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Changed my mind, I don't want to get into this little fiasco!!!!!!!! [ 09-28-2002, 23:17: Message edited by: MacD37 ] | |||
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<500 AHR> |
Axel - I have read thru all your posts and it is clear to me that you know more than all the so called "experts" on this website. Do not let them get you down, sir. Keep posting and hope that there are a few intelligent enough to understand what you are saying. And may I close by saying I am flattered that you have adopted my style of posting whereby you pose tough questions and rather than answer theirs, you insist they answer yours. Very clever. This keeps them on track. Best wishes in all your many firearms adventures. | ||
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Man!!!!!!! The personalities hold conversations among themselves. HUMMMMMMmmmmmmm | |||
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Axel, The best way to get out of a hole is quit digging it deeper... Todd, There ya go again, throwing gas on the fire. | |||
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Ray- Troll Alert! ToddE+ Axel= the same PSYCHO. Did I get the Math level too high again? -Rob | |||
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I also made this posty on the Political forum as the nutcase is trying his luck there.....Mike Axel, If you want to play multi personalities and with different handles you should try and contact Mike Boyd. He has done Cody, Latigo, Iron Horse, Dancer, Texas Trollop and many more. He was able to write for each handle differently. Although your style of writing is very much like a young person of perhaps later school years and this maybe why you are fucked up as a troll/multi personality. You should also try HuntAmerica as that will be more challenging for you because of censorship/banning. Come back next year and try again. The standard of troll has dropped right away in recent times. Mike | |||
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