What countries are causing a problem over this issue?
I have been traveling to foreign countries for 42 years and have yet to experience the problem. I have appearantly not been in the right country at the right time. I even had Megista (spelling) and crew take some of me ammo apart in Ethopia in the '70s, but they never questioned the headstamping. They were on another mission.

Or is everyone trying to second guess the future?

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Originally posted by AfricanHunter:
What countries are causing a problem over this issue?
I have been traveling to foreign countries for 42 years and have yet to experience the problem. I have appearantly not been in the right country at the right time. I even had Megista (spelling) and crew take some of me ammo apart in Ethopia in the '70s, but they never questioned the headstamping. They were on another mission.

Or is everyone trying to second guess the future?

BTT, What , 35 look sees and no responses?

I own an A. Hollis and Son 450/400 3 inch double rifle. There is no place on my rifle stamped "450/400 3 inch". No older British double will have the "caliber" engraved or stamped on it.

It has not proved to be a problem with me on my trip.

on a trip to England, they looked at the caliber engraved on my barrel as well as the ammo. They counted the number of rounds I had with me. I was allowed 60 on my license and had 40 with me, and the license also allowed me to buy a certain number of the same caliber in-country. The customs official was very professional and polite and I had no problems what so-ever.

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Originally posted by Rusty:
I own an A. Hollis and Son 450/400 3 inch double rifle. There is no place on my rifle stamped "450/400 3 inch". No older British double will have the "caliber" engraved or stamped on it.

It has not proved to be a problem with me on my trip.

So many of us have to travel through other countries to arrive at our final destination. In many countries like England the officials won't care about you or your hunt only about the paperwork and their agenda. Many countries where you actually hunt, may let you slide. The PH is there to see that things go well. More and more we are impacted by an uninitiated burocracy that really doesn't give a damn about customer service. Even in the USA we still have problems with TSA and they should know our rules and laws very well and often don't. QUESTION; do you want to chance that on the one and only safari you do? We go through all the work to design and pay for a hunt, get a perfect rifle built, agonize over just the right bullet and load and then show up with cases without the proper head stamp which truely identifies the ammunition we are taking. If we can not get that right why sould we get any consideration from foreign authorities? They don't know that a 458 Win Mag necked to 416 is a 416 Taylor you listed on the import sheet. Why should they it is your problem not theirs. If we are to make the trip go off as planned why should we ignore one of the Most important items in the kit, ammunition!

Rusty, I'll bet the caliber of your rifle is on the barrel flat or the watertable of the action. That will more than suffice for identification on the caliber. Am I wrong on this?

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Originally posted by lb404:


They don't know that a 458 Win Mag necked to 416 is a 416 Taylor you listed on the import sheet. Why should they it is your problem not theirs. If we are to make the trip go off as planned why should we ignore one of the Most important items in the kit, ammunition!

WHY, should they give a flying fornication in the first bloody place???????
WHO CARES, if your 416 Taylor has ammo cases stamped 458 Winchester or 338 Winchester??????

Honestly, can anyone just answer why, this is such a big deal?
Seriuosly, has anyone contacted the governments in question, what the big deal is?

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Originally posted by .366torque:
WHY, should they give a flying fornication in the first bloody place???????
WHO CARES, if your 416 Taylor has ammo cases stamped 458 Winchester or 338 Winchester??????

Honestly, can anyone just answer why, this is such a big deal?
Seriuosly, has anyone contacted the governments in question, what the big deal is?

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What countries are causing a problem over this issue?

I'm not aware of any country causing a problem over this.......that said, one needs to know the law (in this case the country of RSA) where the law requires one to show proof he owns a 338 win Mag to buy 338 win mag ammo.....a 30-06 to buy 30-06 ammo....this to prevent one from buying ammo for others.

Further there is a limit on the number of rounds one can own. So one can't just go the the store and buy 200 rounds of 30-06 unless he can show he has no other ammo.

They require one to show need to own a (for example) a 270 if he already has a 30-06.....sound like bullshit?????.....well it is...but it's their law.....

Technically if you show up with a gun marked as 30-06 and you have ammo marked 270 (a real possibility for a reloader) you're in violation of their law. The ammo must be for your rifle!!!.....and don't expect some idiot at the customs dept at the airport to understand!!!!

I've never read of anyone having trouble with this.....but many of us are concerned that we might be the first.....and that's the issue....do you want to be the test case?

The issue is roughly equivalent to leaving your ammo home and you have a wildcat....highly unlikely.....but it's happened.

While this is very unlikely to be a problem I'd prefer to have the case marked the same as the rifle just in case.....big deal?????,,,not really. But it really isn't horribly expensive to set the issue aside by complying.

Leonard,
I will post some pictures when I get home.
In pre "Rules of '25" not even the case length is stamped on the flats.

My rifle states- 55 CORD 400 MAX

No caliber stamping on the water table or top of barrels.

One can easly remove the markings on the case bottom with a dremil tool and a small grinder.
Then I guess it is for any rifle you say it is for.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
One can easly remove the markings on the case bottom with a dremil tool and a small grinder.
Then I guess it is for any rifle you say it is for.

Champlins tried that for a while after Kynoch quit making ammo for double rifles as well as obscure calibers. They chucked the cases in a lath and turned a grove in the base to remove the stamping. When the hunter got to Tanzania with his 333 Jeffery and 450#2 they looked at his ammo and threw away the 333 Jeffery ammo. He hunted everything with his 450#2 and a borrowed 375. It can happen. Often you can bribe an official but that very well could get you in more trouble.

Rusty, I believe you on your gun. I thought my original 475 #2 had a cartrige stamp on the barrel lumps but it was probably the load proof markings like yours.

Rusty!

Both my Jeffery and Watson Bros 450/400 3" doubles were marked 400 EX then the cordite load and bullet wweoght in grains. They were proofed under the 25 rules. Is yours marked 400 EX??

465H&H

Passing through Hong Kong enroute to Joburg, I had the ChiComs check the headstamps of all my ammo and compared it to the markings on the barrels of my rifles.

FWIW, they were friendly and courteous about it. I did have mixed brands of brass in the box (reloads) and one chappie even asked me if I found much of a difference betwixt Rem and Win brass.