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Originally posted by M70Nut:
Maybe some people just don't like certain rifles and they have their reasons, whats wrong with that?? My wife hunted with a Remington 700 in 243 this past fall for sheep. While walking the various drainages looking for rams she had the bolt open on her 5-6 times. We weren't impressed and ended up carrying the rifle inside her pack which was a pain so it does happen, i've seen it. That rifle was a real shooter but the bolt opening like that scared me. I'm not bashing Remingtons but like jorge, they are just not for me or my wife. The 375 H&H is NOT just for DG, it does a helluva job on moose. Didn't mean to get this thread sidetracked, my apologies.

The thread got sidetracked way back.
What did you find as the cause of the bolt opening? Sounds as though the locking lugs aren't snug enough. I just put a scale on my two 700's and it takes 8 pounds of force to open one bolt and 9 pounds of force to open the other.

To be honest, I don't know why it did that, the rifle was borrowed from a friend of mine and he said he never had that problem. The bolt had some work done to it to lighten the rifle, don't knw if that would affect it or not. The wife carried it on her right shoulder so the bolt wasn't hitting her pack. I had heard of this a while back but thought nothing of it until it happened to us.

All the negative stuff you can find here can be worrisome at times so I have tested stuff to be on the safe side. I have hit my bolt handles with rubber mallets and they don't break off. I can't make the safetys trick and fire when releasing the safety and I guess I need a few more thousand rounds before and extractor fails. I sort of do the mythbusters trials.

Good Luck on you next hunting trip. I will be glad to get back up in your neck of the woods for some salmon fishing again.

I would like to suggest people shoot the rifle with the factory stock on the XCR before making a judgement. I did and now have two XCR`s.

You guys are talking about safties that were changed almost 25 years ago the last bolt lock safty on a remington 700 was made in 1982 and if your worried about it just send it to remington and they will change it through there safety modification program.
As far as PF ir CRF you will hear both for and against for ever.

My opinion on the remington 700 XCR
pros-
great balance
stainless syhthetic
-TriNyte corrosion for extra protection on those alaskan hunts
Hogue stock
limbsaver recoil pad
remington 700 accuracy
push feed

cons-----------

I was sitting on the porch with a friend we were both shooting Marlin bolt action 22 magnum rifles both rifles were on the shooting rests when his went off. Now i have never heard of a problem with marlin bolt actions have you. well he read on the internet that if you change the trigger spring with a simple spring from a certain pen that you would have a real fine trigger. Yeah well the word hear is ALTERATION I wonder how many alterations were made on those remingtons , alterations made buy so called gunsmiths. There are gunsmiths and there are gunsmiths . All you newbies out there should remember that. Tanoose

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Originally posted by dad11345:
jore, I have been hunting with Remingtons for over 40 years and have had none of the problems your talking about.

Maybe some training in how to properly work a bolt or load a magazine is in order for the folks who are having problems. I find people tend to blame equipment all the time for not completeing their mission.

WEll consider yourself lucky, Did you do a Google Search like I suggested? The lawsuits are real and many.

Is the bolt handle glued (brazed) on? yes. Does the bolt open with the safety engaged? yes. Is the extractor thin metal? yes.

As to the proper training, It doesn't take a rocket scientist to properly work such a simple piece of machinery as a bolt, but now that you mention it, the CRF has another advantage, for those of us that can't chew gum and work a bolt and the same time (but I can land airplanes on pitching decks...at night) the CRF makes it easier for us simple minded folks to keep from gooning that up. And what about the fact the proffessional's choice is a CRF? I welcome your detailed opinion on all of the above. jorge

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Originally posted by Tanoose:
You guys are talking about safties that were changed almost 25 years ago the last bolt lock safty on a remington 700 was made in 1982 and if your worried about it just send it to remington and they will change it through there safety modification program.
As far as PF ir CRF you will hear both for and against for ever.

My opinion on the remington 700 XCR
pros-
great balance
stainless syhthetic
-TriNyte corrosion for extra protection on those alaskan hunts
Hogue stock
limbsaver recoil pad
remington 700 accuracy
push feed

cons-----------

I was sitting on the porch with a friend we were both shooting Marlin bolt action 22 magnum rifles both rifles were on the shooting rests when his went off. Now i have never heard of a problem with marlin bolt actions have you. well he read on the internet that if you change the trigger spring with a simple spring from a certain pen that you would have a real fine trigger. Yeah well the word hear is ALTERATION I wonder how many alterations were made on those remingtons , alterations made buy so called gunsmiths. There are gunsmiths and there are gunsmiths . All you newbies out there should remember that. Tanoose

Being a newbie to this forum has nothing to do with knowing how to handle a rifle. I've been handling bolt guns for over 30 years and like jorge said, it ain't rocket science. It happened and I was there and saw it, thats why we bought a Kimber instead. I have nothing against Remingtons but I or my wife won't carry a gun that is not safe.

Why do you not want a safety engaged when operating a bolt? The extractors do look fragile but they work but in a very dirty environment some grit could possibly create a problem. If I ever have to change one out I may upgrade it. I already did the hammer test on my bolt handles and they held up fine.
Back in the spring I watched a guy drive a bolt open with a 2x4 after shooting an overheated 300 RUM. I couldn't believe he did it two more times before he quit. The bolt did not break either.

I own 7 Remington 700 push feeds, the largest a 375 H+H and the smallest a 308. I have taken 112 whitetails with the 308 over the years, never had any problems with any of them. I also have 4 tang safety Rugers-- the largest a .458 and it would be my 1st choice for DG. Just to even it up-- I also have a Winchester 70 in 300 H+H and another in .470 Capstick. The Winchesters are almost never even shot. My belief is that this is a ford vs chevy thing and if you shoot your gun and get any bugs out of it, you will get the problem fixed or will find out you never have any problems. I believe there are lemons in any off the line product, I suppose I have been lucky never to get one. But, the CRF trolls really lay it on thick sometimes. It does become tiresome and annoying.

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:
I own 7 Remington 700 push feeds, the largest a 375 H+H and the smallest a 308. I have taken 112 whitetails with the 308 over the years, never had any problems with any of them. I also have 4 tang safety Rugers-- the largest a .458 and it would be my 1st choice for DG. Just to even it up-- I also have a Winchester 70 in 300 H+H and another in .470 Capstick. The Winchesters are almost never even shot. My belief is that this is a ford vs chevy thing and if you shoot your gun and get any bugs out of it, you will get the problem fixed or will find out you never have any problems. I believe there are lemons in any off the line product, I suppose I have been lucky never to get one. But, the CRF trolls really lay it on thick sometimes. It does become tiresome and annoying.

Amen Brother, I started this thread that got way off line in my opinion and I am now quitting the darn thing.

dadii325 your not the only one with never a problem there are a few MILLION others

jorge, We are both giving our opinions.
I don`t have to Google to give you mine as I based it on my own experence.

Tanoose, thanks for your input.

Like I heard years ago, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me! When the second Remington extractor broke on me in a three year period, that's when I quit them. They make very nice hunting or target rifles. According to the over $60 million (!!) dollars paid out to settle lawsuits there are just a few niggling issues there. Which is why, out of the blue, they are importing Russian Mauser claw extractor rifles. Again, I doubt very seriously, that you will see an American made PF model 700-series rifle on the rack. Which is a shame.
Ruger has pretty much dropped the PF design in their line as well. Got to be a reason to increase production costs by 15-20% these days.

Again, not picking on anybody here or bashing...so take what I say with about the same value as what I said about your choice of pickups...you guys are all driving Dodge Cummins Turbo-Diesels...right?

Rich

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Originally posted by dad11345:
jorge, We are both giving our opinions.
I don`t have to Google to give you mine as I based it on my own experence.

The google search was to demonstrate facts regarding the Remington's notorious safety issue and not an opinion. Kind of like car shopping; I don't have to go out and blow my money on a Yugo or a Fiat to know their track record. And I did state that I owned a Remington, once. jorge

jorge, I currently own 6 Remingtons and I am sure there are many people who have more then 6.
The one thing I dislike most about the US today is how everyone who is careless and causes harm to someone blames the tool and not the fool for mishandling it.

Secondly, if you read long enough about any subject you will find differing opinions on everything. I just figure I may as well trust what my experience has taught me.

Fair enough, you've done what is called "Operational Risk Management" (ORM) with your Remingtons and accepted it's liabilities and limitations, but the facts and reality are there, the lawsuits are fact and not opinion. Be safe, jorge

Argh! It's the infamous Winchester vs. Remington arguement again!
Well I know I'm probably gonna catch shit about this one later on, but I've taken two out of my 4 Kodiak Brownies with Remingtons. I was born and raised on Kodiak Island, and I frequently take leave back there to hunt with my brother, when we can match our leave together. One of the perks of being in the Military. However the last one I took was with a Remington custom shop APR in .375 RUM, don't know if this has any relavance to this thread. However I have never encountered a problem with this rifle. I redid the trigger to my specs plus installed a Sako-style extractor, and it's performed without a hitch. Took the bear on a run towards me (Tell you, those doe-in-distress calls get them running!) with a neck shot at 25 yards. Luckily it severed the spine and continued to penetrate until it hit a hip bone.
The 2nd bear I took was with a Remmy chambered in .375 H&H, factory condition. Wasn't as exciting as my 4th, however it performed well enough for the task at hand.
My 1st and 3rd were with a 1917 .458 Lott and a October Country 4-bore, respectively.
I haven't much experience with the XCR but it does seem like a tough rifle. If you buy one than have fun!

Thanks Jorge, same to you my friend. Don

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Originally posted by Dwight:
Thanks guys for the comments. If Push Feed is the only con then it looks as though I am making the right choice since I am a Remington fan anyway.

In short...buy a Ruger and don´t look back

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Well I know I'm probably gonna catch shit about this one later on, but I've taken two out of my 4 Kodiak Brownies with Remingtons.

But.... but.... I thought you couldn't shoot anything dangerous with a push feed rifle

I do, except it's just a Weatherby that's all. jorge

I bought My first M700 270win 38 years ago when I was 12 years old. Since then my brother and I have owned seven of them the only malfunction has been whe my 14 yo nephew tried to adjust the triger on one of the 22-250s it did go off when I closed the bolt right through the roof of the shooting shed, we readjusted it and have never had a problem since. These rifles are not light use range queens. We have killed 25-35 deer a year with them in all types of weather, they ride in the bottom of the boat or on a 4 whelers handle bars. I have swam with them on more than one occassion poured the water out of the barrel and whent hunting. The M700 is one ruged accurate rifle.
I have heard of more failures with Mauser actions than I have the M700. As to what guns the PH in africa uses Africa was colonized by Europe until after WWII, so these PHs naturaly use European rifles, and most of the African Hunters on this board want to be like their PHs. take what they say with a grain of salt, or they will have you hunting with a 100year old double rifle.
Enough ranting.. I'm getting ready to buy a XCR in 338 RUM for Alaska. i will have the extractor changed to Sako.

DR B

Dr B i have seen that said many times. The reccommendation to change the remington extractor to a sako extractor can you tell me why and what does this entail. I am not familiar with the sako extractor at all.

not to be flip but do a quick search of the forums, there is a ton of info on this conversion along with rational and pics...

Sorrreeeeeeeeeee!!!

I did not mean to impugn anyone's choices...my intent was to suggest how to best "optimize" the 700. If I buy
another 700 series for big game hunting that is what I would do to mine. Probably not, since I have four Model 30's, a CZ 416Rigby, an Obendorf Mauser and one more M70 that is borderline too nice to remodel. Then there are the fantasy actions (three PH), ...and most likely a couple Wickliffes, one for a four bore. My wife thinks I am hopeless...the guys in the gun library at Cabela's think I am now the Bull Goose Loony Rifle Crank in Idaho. Ours, in Boise, does have the full Elmer Keith display, all of his firearms, and an animated mannequin at his original desk and a recreation of his office up in Salmon, Idaho. Got to looking at the double rifles and remembering a couple days back in 1978-80 shooting all of them out at his gunsmith's place out of town. Those were the days...

Rich

Tanoose
it cost around $100-$125 to change the extractor to a Sako. I'm going to do it just becuse the sakoe is a better extractor. The 338RUM is a high pressure round and the Alaskan Peninsula is wet and salty and the bears are Big so even though I don't think i would have a problem with the stocl extractor I'm buying a $125 insurance policy.
Dr B

My goodness! giving me the "dull" gut feeling again. On my last Rem. push feed. I have put in a few extra dollars to make the rifle better overall including changing out the boltshroud/firing pin. Stock trigger adjusted, action bedded and few other works some 4yrs back. Bought it just for big grizz.

Selling it as soon as I can here. That darn bolt sounds like a nono and I know of the trigger story and cheap floorplate and trigger gaurd. Why Remmy would make me a caliber for shooting my kind of dangerous game and fail gives me the whoa kinda of step back picture! Nothing but an expensive club. It has been in the gun rack for a yr. now and don't see carrying it in the pursuit of BB. It is not because it is a push feed just the other odd ball possibilities.

Could just buy a new CZ and be done with it. Lately I am on a building craze of 98's and 1917 Enfield actions.

No more Remingtons for me. Damn accurate though!