I am looking for recommendations for stock makers who are experienced in stocking big bore rifles. In my limited research I have found none. Please help.

Axel

POS,
After shooting my 500 jeffe with sissy loads (85ish ft/lbs of recoil), I wish you luck

You can try www.gunstocks.com and get a utility grade stock for 50-100 bucks, and then ask for help along the way. If you honestly want the advice, and post a pic or two of your progress, I bet you get it. If you don't, well, have fun.

the cheap util will do a couple things for you..
1: if it gets screwed up, it's 50 bucks
2: it can be a great inletting pattern
3: you can take a chance or 3 with it, and figure it out. As it sounds like your first stock, I'll just share I made plenty of errors on my first COUPLE... just like everyone else
4: listen to Rob on just about everything.. I think he's got the widest selection of boomers in wood
5: steelbed and crossbolts are your friends

jeffe

[ 01-28-2003, 22:02: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Jeffeosso,
Thank you for the recommendation. I would prefer to have the entire stocking operation done by someone that knows what they are doing. This requirement excludes me.

If I recall you load correctly you had a 535 grain bullet going 1975 fps in a 9 pound rifle. According to my calculations, using 99 grains of powder, the free recoil energy and velocity are:

Recoil engery: 55.2 lb ft
Recoil velocity: 19.875 fps

535 grain bullet
99 grains of powder
1975 fps muzzle velocity
9 pound rifle.

A 416 Remington magnum M70 would have a free recoil energy and velocity of:

Recoil energy: 48.1 lb ft
Recoil velocity: 18.55 fps

400 grain bullet
87 grains of powder
2400 fps muzzle velocity
9 pound rifle

A 585 AHR would have the following free recoil energy and velcoity:

Recoil energy: 109.5 lb ft
Recoil velocity: 23.3 fps

750 grain bullet
155 grains of powder
2350 fps muzzle velocity
13 pound rifle

Just in case you where curious.

Thanks again,
Axel

POS,

I would still suggest you do it yourself.. you can always throw it away if it's soo much junk. Really, I think it's a great experience. I am not jacking with you, and I think that you could get tons of help off this forum, if you WANT it.

good calc, except my jeffe weighs ~8.3 to 8.4 empty... it's barely over 9 with 5 dummies in it.

try www.realguns.com for yet another recoil calc
jeffe

[ 01-28-2003, 22:43: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Jeffeosso,

Using a rifle weight of 8.3 pounds your free recoil energy and velocity are, using the same load as before:

Recoil energy: 59.86 lb ft
Recoil velocity: 21.55 fps

Muzzle energy: 4629 lb ft

I have never done anything remotely like carve a stock! I cannot conceive of learning such a skill with a 585 AHR! Thanks for all the help though.

Axel

A good starting place would be Great American Gunstocks. Henry used to advertise services on his website such as: fitting a stock to a barrelled action, bedding, installing crossbolts, installing recoil pads and grip caps. They also do checkering and finishing. This would be the cheapest route I would think. $200 will get you a plain figured English blank, with good grain flow; Jeffe's and mine are virtually twins as far as I can tell from his pictures.

Todd

Which recoil calculator are you using? On the .585 data you listed I get 28.2fps recoil velocity. eeeooowww that is going to smart.

If you want to make your own stock, then I'm of the firm conviction you should start with a good piece of wood, not firewood. If you start with cheap wood, you won't put the effort into doing a good job, because it's only cheap wood, and then you really won't learn how to do good stock work. The preface is, you should have some woodworking skills. That said, it really isn't that difficult.

The key is the pro's can get to 99% with the wood hoggin tools, then slow down for the last 1%. The amature gets to 85%, then starts to go real slow and cautious. He gets to 88%, then gets p/o'd at the slow progress, goes back to the wood hogging tools, and hits 105% in a few spots. Just remember, you are the only one that knows where the little booboo's are, your buddies will never see them at a glance.

Axel:

I recommend you talk with Sterling Davenport of Tucson, Arizona. Sterling's telephone number is 520-749-5590.

Buliwyf,
Thank you for the information.

Roger, I used the Axel Dempel recoil calculator. It works like this. Get calculator, utilize Conservation of Momentum to determine recoil velocity. With the recoil velocity determined, calculate recoil kinetic energy.

Equations are:

v2 =[(bullet + powder)*muzzle velocity]/rifle mass

E = 0.5 * rifle mass * v2^2

v2 is the recoil velocity
E is the recoil energy

All masses are in slugs. To convert from grains to slugs: X # of grains / 225,400. Which is nothing more than 7000 gr/lb*32.2.

Both of these are peak values, by the way.

I have found that most "recoil calculators" are inaccurate, very inaccurate. The "recoil calculators" do make the energies & velocities look impressive though.

Axel

[ 01-29-2003, 06:38: Message edited by: POSeur. ]

Pos,
why don't you just use the same tools everyone else does, to get started? dont bother answering that, btw...

What you've found on "most recoil calculators" means bupkiss, in all honesty. Glad you have your own way of doing things...

here's a recoil calc you want try
http://www.realguns.com/calc/recoil

so you can get a REAL idea of what you are going to deal with

you 585 nyati is rather far off. You don't honestly expect to go 300fps faster than a 577, and only have 13 more # of recoil, do you?

your 416 calcs are more inline with 375...(45-47)

use the same tools, learn some, and then branch off on your own...

but, seriously, make your own stock, for fifty bucks, what are you out

jeffe

[ 01-29-2003, 07:03: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Jeffeosso,
Thank you for the link. Can you describe the recoil energy measuring machine? I find it immensely interesting.

By the way, if you look in COTW the recoil numbers posted there for the 585 Nyati are in line with my calculations.

Axel

See how much knowledge can be gained just by listening.

Jeffeosso, not to argue, but if one calculates the recoil energy and velocity of the 577 NE in the same manner as I did the 585 AHR you have these numbers:

Free recoil energy: 81.15 lb ft
Free recoil velocity: 20 fps

750 grain bullet
140 grains of powder
Muzzle velocity of 2050 fps
rifle weight of 13 pounds

So by using the same calculation method the recoil energy of the 585 AHR is about 28 lb ft greater than the 577 NE. This represents a 34.5% increase in recoil with the 585 AHR over the
577 NE.

Axel

Axel
Customstox on this forum does incredible work as does Bob Swezda at Wells Sports store. That other Wells (Frank) also has considerable experience with large calibers (see the thread). John Boliger in Idaho, Darcy Echols in Utah, Jim Brockman apprenticed with Mauser in Germany and does beautiful work in wood including such rarely seen details as ebony crossbolts. The premium for this quality of work is quite high, Jeff's right you can mess up quite a few stocks for the price of one from a master. It's winter what else do you have to do!