Perhaps a bit back on topic, Midway has a number of Woodleigh's on clearance.

Ray,

If you would like to address the issue by using me that is just fine. However, realize that there are several who would like more clarification of your claims here. Ganyana and Drummond are two right off the top of my head that have asked you to clarify, along with myself. SureStrike being another. You can redirect all you like. But, Ganyana doesn't remember you from the timeframe that you claim to have "Been There and Done That"!! The question he posed to you has nothing to do with the fellow in charge of the Screw Worm project at the time being 110 years old today! It has to do with you claiming to be something that you aren't!! That is a redirect technique, pure and simple.

Again, if you want to address the issues through me since I brought the questions back up, that's fine. But I'm not the one that called you out initially. I'm also not the one making wild claims about having shot about 50 less Buffalo than Saeed, all while on a Civil Servant's salary. And so on, and so on, etc.....

I really don't mind others calling me a "Butthead" for asking you to address the questions raised here by others. You certainly have your fan club as you've been able to snow quite a few here. In fact, I believed you for quite some time myself. Of course, we've all told some "Tall Tales" around the campfire, so to speak, but there is usually a bit of "tongue in cheek" and often whiskey involved! That is a bit different however than proclaiming yourself an expert on an international internet forum however!

But hey, if your OK with it Ray, then I'm sure you really are one of the good guys, as far as you know!

Todd:

You are a great guy and a real gentlemen. Please , just let this thing with Ray go. Perhaps he embellished his African history but there is no doubt that he has extensive African hunting experience and valuable information to share. You are way too good of a guy for this.

Gonna shoot the 500 again this weekend. Golly, I love this gun. Krieghoff makes a hell of a double for the money. This one is still really tight. Mark at First Stop told me it probably hadn't had a box of cartridges through it. I'm thinking that someone bought it and found the recoil to be a bit too much and traded it off. We all talk about the price of doubles but if you keep your eyes open, you can find some really great deals on used guns in excellent condition. Thanks to you and Doc for your guidance. The 500 NE is a superb cartridge and as your said, very shootable at 10.5 pounds. I am thinking about selling my Krieghoff 500/.416 again. I've never had a VC and I think I need a one.

Back to the topic. Woodleigh bullets are superb, especially for us double rifle guys. One caveat. As the previous posters had said, just keep the Woodliegh's soft nose bullets within the impact velocity window. The Hydros are terrific. The round nose solids are great but I think the growing consensus is that flat nose solids seem to work better.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Todd:

Perhaps he embellished his African history but there is no doubt that he has extensive African hunting experience and valuable information to share. You are way too good of a guy for this.

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Ray gets himself into these problems every 3-4 years trying to unravel the mysteries he created around himself. Don't fear anyone can damage him to much. Two things for certain- He'll always be back, and ready to create or unravel more mysteries. If you really want to help him out, sit him down and write out a time line of his lifes work and make him stick to it.

I've smacked a lot of buffalo around with Woodleigh softs, solids and Hydros, in calibres .300H&H, .375H&H, .450/400 3" NE, .416 Rigby, .458WM and .500NE. I love them, and being a little bit patriotic when it comes to my bullets, I'll keep using them. They work good. Of course, I do realise that my round nose solids are a bit outdated by the Hydros, but they just "look right" when I plop them into my Merkel double. The Hydro is definitely a grand performer. But some Aussie buffalo hunters don't believe they need anything more than Woodleigh softs to do the job, and they have hundreds of hunted (not vehicle-shot) buffalo to prove it. Funny thing: I like running Woodleigh softs out of my .416 Rigby; Hydros out of my Ruger single-shot .450/400 3" NE; Woodleigh solids (yep, the big, heavy, slow 500 grain jobbies) out of my Model 70 .458WM; and a mixture of Woodleigh softs and solids out of my double .500NE.

I have used Woodleighs in both 416 Rigby and 458 WM for dangerous game with excellent results. For a soft, they are hard to beat. Ever since they improved the 416 jacket some 15 years ago, they do not fail to impress.

I started to use a box of 416 Rigby loaded with the "old" Woodleigh softs. Yikes, pulled the bullets in favor of some A-Frames.

Later, I tried some of the new Woodleigh softs. Night and Day difference.

Just observe their recommendations (no "hot-rodding!!!), and all will be well in the killing fields.

L/D

Yes the Mark II .416 Weldcore jackets were a huge improvement for us Rigby shooters. Now you can push them without fear.

I realize one caribou does not make a conclusive bullet test but I was very impressed with the performance of the 400 grain .411 from my 400 Whelen on my wife's bull. The load is running 2150 fps and her caribou went down as if the rug was pulled out from under it. The shot was 250 yards, entering in the neck just in front of the right shoulder and crossing through to exit the left shoulder leaving a 1 1/2-2" exit wound. Very little bloodshot meat. With any good furtune this next week I'll get to report on it's performance on a black or grizzly bear.

Mart

400 Whelen. Yep, perfect application for a Woodleigh 400-grainer. Numerologic righteousness at 2150 fps. Spiffy.