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I have several boxes that have that same type of label. Haven't shot any of them yet but the bases don't look like that. | |||
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Love Barnes never had trouble with them That said, nobody perfect and everyone will piss off customer or two in their lifetime Got two elephants with side shot that went right thru the whole head, gone. There will always be something and it is good to bring issues up so we are all aware of potential problem " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Most of us know that Barnes is not really "Barnes" anymore...... I have not been a fan of barnes since the RN BS a couple of years ago, which would have NEVER occurred had barnes not sold out to I believe its called the "Freedom Group", or something like that? Correct me if wrong, as I do not always keep up with exactly who is who and what....... But as I understand same group or company owns Remington, Marlin, Dakota, and more perhaps... along with barnes now..... I was told something completely insane yesterday....... And the only reason I mention this is it might be a trend with this group or company that owns barnes as well..... Some company had contracted with SSK to build 10 45/70 Whispers on new Marlin rifles....... 8 out of 10 of these rifles sent to SSK had rifling only on ONE SIDE of the barrel, and none on the other side...... Barrels were oblong inside...... 8 new rifles out of 10......... Brian said in all his years he had never even seen anything like this....... One might expect some issues or something crazy with 1 out of 10.... But People, this is 8 out of 10 rifles that only had rifling on one side of the barrel and smooth on the other side... I can't even imagine how something like that can occur........... Not only that, but went out the door as new rifles......... Possibly a trend with this group or company that owns barnes, marlin, and the rest... GOD I HOPE THEY DON"T BUY WINCHESTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just FYI...... Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Freedom Group's traveling QA Inspectors, Rufus and Lemuel struck again at Marlin?   | |||
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Heck, I think they live there!  | |||
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No news from Barnes is not good news. Caveat emptor. Freedom isn't free, but you are free to buy at the prices below, Cabela's retail store. Rufus and Lemuel inspected and relabeled some of the stock on the shelves in the South Denver, near Castlerock, CO, Cabela's store. I was there and whipped out my iphone for some mile-high inventory checking last Saturday.  Oops, sumbuddy busted into one of the not-relabeled boxes, and left the relabeled one alone. "I didn't do it!" Like Bart Simpson, Rufus, and Lemuel are always saying ...   | |||
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I received a call from Barnes yesterday. They have the .411 bullets and are inspecting them. (You can't fix stupid) Falls of Rough Ky University Our victory cry is FORK U! | |||
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Interesting reading and pictures. I will be following along and am interested in an outcome. | |||
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Update: Ryan from Barnes called yesterday. When segregated, the heavily marked bullets shot the same size group as the lightly marked bullets. They shot to "almost" the same point of impact. No word on the out-of-roundness that I measured. He stated that the inaccuracy that I experienced must be due to some other cause. (You can't fix stupid) Falls of Rough Ky University Our victory cry is FORK U! | |||
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Interesting... So basically the corporate answer is, "Your reloading skills must suck because our bullets are ok." Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Geez, I wasn't going to but I can't help myself. To hear "same group size", "almost same point of aim" I immediately think of my 12gauge SxS shotgun not my single barrel rifle using the same loading and same box of bullets! So far I'm not impressed with Barnes' followup... Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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So Lemuel and Rufus are doing the PR and correspondence work too, with secondary QA testing on obviously bad product, trying to say they pass QA second time around too? This is extremely weak work by Barnes. This is why there needs to be some separation of duties in Freedom Group. Lemuel and Rufus need to go on vacation (or back to school) at least one month annually. | |||
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 Group with bullets with ring on the base.  group with no ring on the base. The point of impact was vertically within .38 inches and horizontally .28 inches. with 2, 10 shot groups. I would say that is almost the same point of impact. The group of bullets with the rings on the base shot .110 inches better than the group with no rings. The run out on the noses is .0004 inches. As far as the stickers with sku numbers. We changed accounting software last year, and because of that it was necessary to update the sku numbers. many customers became confused with the new number, being unsure if the product was the same, so for the transition period we are putting the sticker on them to show both the old and new sku number. | |||
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Ouch.... | |||
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Much better than my shotgun.  Is your acoustic capture accomplished at 50yds or 100yds? Thanks, Oh yes, welcome to the AR Forums! Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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100 yards | |||
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Thank you... Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Welcome to the forum, Barnes! It'll be interesting to see the direction this topic takes now! Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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Any answer on the damaged bases? | |||
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Barnes, Welcome to the forum and thank you for wading into the fray. Not often we have a manufacturer take time to respond. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I thought they were accuracy enhancing love rings. | |||
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......and any chance of a 60'ish 6mm TTSX? | |||
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So not to worry about bullets that make a "clack-clack-clack" sound with three revolutions rolling across a glass countertop? One clack for each turn of the bullet, is OK rather than a constant purring noise like with a GSC bullet? And any asymmetry or irregularity of the bullet base, variable from one bullet to the next is to be ignored, as long as the fox in the chicken coop says so? I do not think so! No explanation yet as to why some Barnes Bullets have marred bases and some do not?  | |||
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So after shooting the "duds" Rusty shot groups with the ones that didn't clank on the coffee table and everything was kosher? | |||
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So far, our .338" 225 gn TTSX and .416" 350 gn TTSX have been excellent. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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RIP, have you shot any of these bullets? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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The marks on the bases are cosmetic imperfections, they should not happen and the issue has been addressed. I told you the run out is 4 ten thousands, what is the run out on your glass table, where do you check the run out when using a glass table. The bullets that where sent to us, and the bullets we have here did NOT do that, RIP we would gladly check the bullets YOU are checking on the table if you would like to send them in to be checked. But I have the feeling nothing we do or test will satisfy you. You know when you posted this originally for the gentleman with the problem you grossly exaggerated the issues (at least according to him). So who knows what your problem actually is. We brought in the bullets we tested them, we shot them and showed what they did. Guys trust me when I say we want these bullets to be great, we do not want bad bullets or dissatisfied customers, we are constantly looking into ways to improve, and we take the issues that come up seriously. The Plant Manager personally has looked into these bullets, and is/has addressed the problem, "Rufus, and Lemuel" have both been actively involved in correcting the cosmetic issues. Barnes is more than willing to work with our customers on concerns they have, and we want to hear about the problems so we can get them fixed. We are NOT "corporate" and we will work to get issues solved, but one of the best ways to get the problem solved is to get to the root of the problem and for that we need the most accurate information we can get, a generic they "don't shoot good" or they go clakity clack is not all the information we need. I know that may be all the information a customer has, so please contact us so we can help. | |||
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Can anyone say, excellant customer service? Now that's the way to put out a flaming topic. Paul K Take Trophies - Leave Brass | |||
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New slogan: BARNES BULLETS "Knocking the wind outta shit for 25 years" | |||
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16bore, which Barnes bullets are you having problems with? Or, are you perhaps, just a pile-on shit disturber? Barnes is addressing the situation as one would expect them to. | |||
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Zero problems Richard. Ever. You? Maybe you can use your contacts to get me some ~60gr 6mm's. Oh wait, its a sad time for Barnes, I forgot. Nevermind. | |||
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CONSIDER YOURSELF CONTACTED. NOW CONTACT THIS:  | |||
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THis ringless set still appears needing to be clarified by RIP. As for the ring-bottom, it would appear that RIP's and Barnes target bullets may not be from the same batch. Or did a group of 'foulers'/rejects accidentally get put in a box for shipping? +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Rusty and I have both shot many good Barnes bullets with good accuracy. Rusty got two boxes of duds and accuracy went to hell for him. No good bullets in .411/300gr TSX have been tried by him since. Perhaps if Barnes would send him two boxes of "non-duds" (instead of money) he could try again. Can Barmes still make a "non-dud" bullet??? | |||
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If they were "so deformed", Rusty shoulda paid more attention at the press. The accuracy and duds claim doesn't mean shit until the original results are duplicated. But now that they are all shot up, the world may never know.... | |||
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How many more "dud" boxes of bullets are there out there? After regular use of a good product, do you scrutinize every bullet when you open a new box to continue in your time-constrained reloading as life passes you by? There is way too little time in life to do anal inspections of every bullet as it comes out of the box. How many more "dud" boxes of bullets are there out there? Many makers sell there duds as "blems" at reduced price, unloading them through vendors. These can be merely cosmetic blemishes or real stinkers euphemistically called "blems." Barnes has home-cooked up a nice omelet of rotten eggs here! Barnes just dumps them in with the rest of the goods at full price and then tests any obviously defective bullets returned, and says they are OK, no refund, no replacement? Just blems at full price and what a stinking hassle? I think it is far worse than that. Something stinks alright. | |||
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Generally, I find conjecture, speculation, and assumptions, and pointless provocative comments stink. They can be driven by ulterior motives. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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You said it was sooooo obvious, but didnt recognize it until some bad shooting. So if something so glaringly obvious as the "out of round" was missed during some time constrained reloading session, what else was missed? With so little time in life to reload and pay attention, maybe its time to rethink the whole shebang. Barnes took the time to evaluate your "problem", but you weren't happy. Now you want a refund and compensation because your time is so valuable. What else should they do? Fly out to your place, load on your press with your powder, primers, and brass? Then shoot your gun at your range in your conditions? Maybe its a conspiracy..... | |||
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I believe this to be right on target! Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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and we will work to get issues solved, but one of the best ways to get the problem solved is to get to the root of the problem and for that we need the most accurate information we can get, a generic they "don't shoot good" or they go clakity clack is not all the information we need. I know that may be all the information a customer has, so please contact us so we can help.