Alf, some literature in german,
not so much for AR threads:
K. Sellier and B. Kneubühl
Wundballistik
Springer Verlag 1992
ISBN 3-540-54855-6

B. Kneubühl
Geschosse Vo. 1
Verlag Stocker-Scmidt, Zürich
ISBN 3-7276-7119-X

B. Kneubühl
Geschosse Vol. 2
Dieticon-Zürich 2004
ISBN 3-7276-7145-9 page 142 ff and p. 90

Prof. Sellier, University Bonn, medical justice
Kneubühl, head scientific department of ballistics, Swiss Army

Gerard:

The cartridge was .458 Watts/Lott.

Shooting distance: 90 yards.

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Originally posted by ALF:

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Originally posted by Jarrod:
Here we go with science shit again. Scientists think they know everything. Most of them are a bunch of educated fools.

Jarrod that is BS, what is science? it is the study of how things happen in our universe. Everything we are and do revolves around science. Everything we do and experience today is touched by the ineventions of scientists and believe you me if it were not for those PhD types mankind would not have survived.

If it were not for these bloody fools you and I would still be living in caves and would be clubbing our game to death with clubs.

Because you may not understand science does not make the scientists fools.....

Paul H.,
I wrote the short post above Alf's here above and didnt name anyone specific. Then alf responded that my post was bullshit. So I think his post is bullshit.

Ok I've hijacked this post so I will am not going to post on this one anymore.

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Originally posted by ALF:
Norbert:

I have located a copy of K. Sellier and B. Kneubühl Wundballistik from a seller in Germany and have ordered the book, it should be here in a month and one can compare what they say against the current accepted North American literature. ( not cheap US$ 87 and change )

I'm having difficulty locating the other two titles but will persevere untill I can get copies.

Alf

Alf:
I think there is nothing against NA literature. The water simulans is described in the third citation, p. 140.

But I am still waiting for literature which is argumenting against my statements. I did this also in former threads, but you never responded.

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However, I do not think it would be feasible to load up the .375/270gr FN or 265 gr HV to 2900 fps in most .375 H&H rifles. Your .375 H&H must be very "Improved."

Hello Rip,

I could not resist but to reply. The above statement reminds me of those people that want to push everything to its limit. It would not surprise me if Gerard's rifle can shoot faster than yours.

I also have a friend like that - if the max velocity of a 223 Rem is 3,200 fps, he will push it to 3,400 fps and be proud of it. Not only that; also the mistaken believe that the marginal increment in velocity will do something for him.

My contention is that if people want to load to the max or beyond, I suggest that they be consitent in driving their cars to the maximum revs in all gears, and when they hit top-gear then you push the petrol-pedal right down even if the car refuses to go faster, and when this is noticed, then you force it until you feel an indentation in the steel floor of the car.



Take care
Chris

Paul had it right. It seems to me this is a little silly. The test media was great for what it was intended to be a CHEAP, easily produced penetration test. I dont think most of us have the money to make something better. I am not funding this project so I will not belittle it. Unless we want to give the guy the money to buy an animal fire away and thanks for the info.

On the high jacking subject. Not all PHD's are stupid just the ones with law degrees. Now stop the debate about I am smarter than you or I have the most educated and well rounded penis.

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......water as a non compressable substance .....

Careful now, read the following on the Compressibility of water, although under very special circumstances, but still not reason to make an outright statement like the one above.

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Originally posted by Jarrod:
Ok I've hijacked this post so I will am not going to post on this one anymore.

RIP,
I use a well worn Steyr Mannlicher. The one with the plastic floorplate and magazine. The stock has cracked twice (Acraglas to the rescue) and the trigger guard has broken as well. Fixed that with Loctite Super Glue. Now the magazine has come to pieces and the parts were spread far and wide by the unwinding spring. This is about in line for a .375 rifle that has fired upwards of 2500 shots, many of which were admittedly unreasonable. As a test mule it has done pretty well I think.

Most factory loads with a 270gr bullet are around 2700fps and VihtaVuori lists 2790fps as maximum with N160 and a Hornady 270gr RN bullet. Remove a whole bunch of bearing surface and ad the HV concept for another 100fps and you have 2890fps. OK, I will give you this one, I am 10fps over the top.


Chris, this is for you. Other members: Do not follow this link if you are sensitive to my replies to Bekker's senseless bickering.

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Now the magazine has come to pieces and the parts were spread far and wide by the unwinding spring. This is about in line for a .375 rifle that has fired upwards of 2500 shots, many of which were admittedly unreasonable.

Gerard,

No wonder the damn rifle came apart - talking about putting your foot into it. The operative words that I draw attention to is ... about stretching ... "many of which were admittedly unreasonable"

As far as my friend with his 223 Rem is concerned, your pchycic abilities failed you again. He does not shoot 50 grainers. He loads 55 grainers and the Somchem max load is 3025 fps.



Ready for another 7 pages?

Chris Bekker

The list of mistakes are now into the mid 50's.

You just proved that you do not know what a test mule is.

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A test mule is when Gerard is abusing a rifle !!!

Speadfreaks are bound to abuse both their rifles and cars !!!



Chris

Some of this discussion has been very enlightening. Thanks to those who know who they are in that regard.

I shall await the results of the "intellectual pit bull match," as I really don't have a dog in this fight, having proven that the .375/300gr GSC FN is not totally unstable at 2700 fps or 2500 fps, regardless of whether the Iron Buffalo is or is not a good medium for penetration testing.

Gerard,
I am looking forward to getting some .423/320 grain HV's for African Sheep.

Cheers!

What would you say to 3832fps with a 40gr bullet from a 24" barrelled .223 Rem with S321?

Gerard,

The only problem that I see with this is that you shot a dinky bullet in the wrong caliber - the case was to small - rather go do it in the 220 Swift that has a decent size case and aim for 4,500 plus fps with further improvements to cut the bullet down further. Shit, now we tamper with SD again ... oh, I forgot SD does not matter. (despite its link to BC)

Splash ... Splash ... Spalsh !!!

Bufoonababoona

Chris