Brent

the accident happened to Mrs. Paul Curtis circa 1930. The story is well attested to. Stock crawlers beware.

Vigillinus

Alf, if you read my post again, you will see I was refering to the woman with the 300 Savage - if a light Sharps is a pussy cat for you, what's a 300 Savage?

That said, even your he-man 500 will not cause a good vernier tang to poke you in the eye. It cannot if it is used in the upright position. If you shot one a bit you would know it would hit your forehead first, and could never reach your eye. The Lyman/Marbles lollipop style is another matter - maybe.

As for thumb busting, does your hand slip when you shoot your 500? If you can't hold on to it, I suppose it might bust your thumb. But then how the heck can you be accurate with it, not to mention follow up with that second shot when your wounded dangerous game makes its terrible charge? I was assuming you could grip the gun adequately, all bets are off if you can't.

There are some beautiful german tang sights on some doubles and drillings that pop up out of the tang itself. These are flush fit when not in use and would be ideal on a double rifle, where as the other versions of tang sights are really a solution looking for a problem when it comes to short-range doubles.

Brent

So to the experts which is better on a DG in .404 express sights or a bolt peep ??

Also are bolt peeps considered classic ??

Shumba My 1909 action has had all the feeding work done an new bottom emtal with integral mag box incorporated with the bottom metal. This was all hand made by my smith. I also have a staright english style bolt on it.

Have you advanced with your project at this point ??

PC........if it were me ,and I wanted to mount a peep on a classic .404 , I would look for a good Lyman #48 receiver sight . They were quality made , I believe of steel , and they are a classic sight in their own right. There would be absolutely no danger of a poke in the eye , and if you want the ghost ring effect at times , just unscrew the small aperture ........

PC,

All I have is the barreled action (with original 30-06 barrel) sitting in my safe. The gunsmith I plan on using is busy right now and probably can't start for a few months. I am in no hurry, but I had been contemplating which caliber for a while. I think the 404 Jeffrey is the best fit for what I want to do with this action.

Also, I would really like to keep the crest and DWM side marking in place. Therefore I do not want to put scope mounts on it. That is the reason for my interest in the peep sight.

I will be sure to post my progress. Will also be looking forward to following your progress as well.

Tim

O'Connor was talking about tang mounted sights....

This does not include Receiver sights like the Redfield, Williams, or marbles that mount on bolt action rifles in front of the bolt handle nor does it include cocking piece mounted sights that have been on English Mauser big bores for a hundred years...I use both all the time and have a draw full of both to be used in the future on big bore rifles...They are far more accurate than any shallow V sight which I also like...and they will not hit you in the eye, unless your a complete nurd in which case you deserve it..

This thread is tending to lump all peep sights together and that is a mistake, just like scopes they have varing degrees of eye releif, O'Connor knew this and used Receiver sights and recommended them on many ocassions both in print and verbally.......

SD with the Lyman 48 would you still have a Qtr rib etc. ??



Could you have the Qtr. Rib but with nothing on it or can the peep be mounted on the Qtr Rib rather than express sights ??



Shumba I am thinking I would like a peep sight but I am loathe to miss out on my Qtr. Rib or Island and I also am not fond of grinding off the solid V that will just leave the express flip up v's. So maybe there is a classic style peep that can be mounted on the Qtr. Rib or Island ??

PC,
Go look at my old H&H on the 404 barrel LW barrel thread above this thread, with receiver and 1/4 rib and how its set up...

SD,

with the Lyman 48 do you still need to grind off the standing leaf on the express sights or does the Lyman 48 sit above the line of sight for the standing express sight ??

Also can you take the Lyman 48 on and off and do you need to grind off the charger hump to accomadate a Lyman 48 ??

Sorry for all the questions

Thanks Ray & others for help thus far

PC........I'm guessing here you have not used a peep or receiver sight much...........anyway........you are not going to want any standing blade sitting in your line-of-sight........that would defeat the whole purpose of using the peep to start with (with a peep you gain considerable sight radius, and get a much better view of the target without a standing leaf to look over,the difference is quite amazing , especially for those of us with 50+ year old eyes)........you would not have to grind off the charging slot........you would just select the proper height front sight needed to line up with your intended loads . The line of sight will be exactly the same as with open sights , unless you change the height of the front sight . Yes , you can remove a good receiver sight pretty quickly , the elevation slide will slip right out , leaving the base screwed on to the side of the receiver..

SD,

your right I have never used a peep but with this .404 I will start

I do like the looks of those bolt peeps and may lean that way. Where do you buy Lyman 48's from ??

PC.......the #48 has been discontinued for many years........but there are lots of them floating around .....they were used alot on custom rifles before the days of reliable scopes . Lots of Mausers wore them , so it shouldn't be too difficult to find a correct one.......there are some for sale in just about every GunList , and at gun shows here a number of them show up .

Both Williams and Lyman still make good receiver sights , for Mausers , but these days they use "aircraft grade" aluminum . To my mind a steel #48 would be nicer on a classic .404 ,if you can find one..............

Thanks SD for the help.