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I was wondering what a Winchester Model 70 375HH in a left hand is worth? I know you guys need more info, but I don't know everything about it other than... it is mint condition, custom work done including trigger work, a custom stainless bolt. Blueing is perfect, wood it perfect, appreas to be in excellent condition overall and dosent look to be shot very much. Does being left handed make it more rare therefore more valuable? Asking price is 1250. Thanks for any help. | ||
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That's a good price for a gun n good condition. I'm asking 1200 for mine, and it's right handed (also includes QD mounts and rings though). "Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand." 470 Heym; 9.3x74r Chapuis, Heym 450/400 on it's way | |||
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If it's a controlled round version in pretty good shape then it is most likely worth the $1250- from the price of things now-a-days who knows? R. | |||
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Thanks guys how can i tell if it is a controlled round feed i am pretty sure it is, what do i need to look for? i know for sure it is in mint condition, i cant even find a small scratch on it, the barrel is not the typical smooth blueing but almsot has a very fine texture to it and it spotless, it only has open sights | |||
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All the left handed Win 70 375's were Classic models (Controlled round feed). Mostly they sell on gunbrokers for around $1,300 http://www.forthehunt.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=91040743 Sometimes they go to $1,500 or even more. The asking price is a fair one and if I was in the market for a 375 I would consider it. However there is one red flag, What do you mean it has a custom stainless bolt? I would find out who made the bolt and why was it made. If the answer seems good to you I would still have a gunsmith check the headspace first. Makes sure you take it out of the stock to check for cracks in the stock as well. If everything checks out buy it. I doubt Win will make any more for a long long time. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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found out a little more about the custom work the bolt is has been replaced because it is longer and easier to work it has been beded the stock has been opened up for the bolt the trigger has also been replaced with a custom one and has a nice pull the wood is a little lighter than the one pictured that snowwolfe sent me and the butt pad is lighter almost reddish/pink in color, like I have seen on other pics of m70's no tunnel over the front sight like the pictured one | |||
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not to be rude, but if you cant tell if a rifle is CF or PF then you probably dont need to purchase a $1200 rifle. | |||
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Be nice, as everybody has to learn sometime. Does it have the extractor as shown on the 6th photo in the Gunbroker ad? I wonder if they even made LH models before the return of CRF. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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From this I'm betting that it has had a stainless bolt handle added not the whole bolt. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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lengleng, Have you seen the gun yourself, or is this information from an ad or auction? If you have access to the gun, take the bolt out and see if the numbers on the bottom match the last few numbers on the serial number on the receiver. The bolt might have been replaced, but I read to mean the bolt handle has been lengthened to provide better leverage, perhaps with a larger knob added, as well. The bolt may have been nitrided, chromed, electroplated, or what have you, giving it the appearance of being stainless steel. $1250 is a fair price for a left-hand M-70 .375H&H these days, all of which were CRF. George | |||
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Again thanks for the help. Yes it does have the extractor like in photo 6. KSTEVENS, Will is right I am just trying to learn. I am not a seasoned vetern yet like most guys on here. (only in my 20's) I think this website has better unbiased and helpful info than any other. I have used info on this site to have 2 awesome plains game safaris and now I am thinking about the future and possibly needing a larger gun. 375 seems to make sense and since I found one I am trying to get the experts opinions. I have seen it and I can check the numbers, great idea. There is actually no knob on it, it is almost a rectangular shape with the end being a little flatened and it is long sticking out away from the gun. It is not plated, maybe a brushed nickle or dull stainless. I will check it out better and let you guys know what I found out. | |||
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Sounds like a 'butterknife' bolt handle. Does it look something like this?: George | |||
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That is rude and uncalled for. Not everyone frets over such things and could care less if it was CRF or pushfeed as long as it works, is reasonably accurate, and brings home the meat. | |||
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yes george thats it, very similar to that the bolt has no numbers on it it is definitely a replacement bolt the last 4 of the numbers have been engraved on it by hand (not very neat) definitely free hand it is a classic super express not a safari express if that means anything, the floor plate also says super express on it saftey is stainless matching the bolt the bolt is not plated but dull like the handle is this suspicious? | |||
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I didn't know they made the Super Express in a LH model. You need to take pictures and post them. Personally, I think the SE was a better rifle. Getting a new bolt handle is pretty cheap if so desired. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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will, if you dont mind me asking, why do you think the SE is better, whats the difference? | |||
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The bolt either has numbers on it or not. If there are four digits (hand-)engraved on the underside and they match the last four digits of the (roll stamped) serial number, it's probably the original bolt, and the handle was added afterwards. Will, My LH M-70 .375H&H is also a 'Super Express'. George | |||
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I know this is pure speculation on my part but something about the bolt doesnt seem right. If it was replaced, who built it? Also, one of the greatest features of the W70's is there rock solid trigger system. What type of trigger was added to the rifle in question? For this type of money have you considered having a rifle built just the way you want it? Here is an example: For $1,100 you can buy a stainless left handed Montana Rifle Company barreled action in either H&H or 375 Wby. For another $430 or so you can have McMillan make you a stock to fit your exact length of pull. Another option is to purhase a left handed Ruger 375 in the African version for $900. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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well the numbers are there but definitely dont look factory. it looks like somebody used a dremel tool and free handed put the numbers on it, maybe thats how they came though i do know the bolt is dull in finish, all consistent, is this how yours is? snowwolfe, i might do that. I just ran across this one and thought i better look into it before it disappears if it was a good deal. finding left handed guns are tough especially one in this caliber and this condition if you guys dont feel it is a really good deal, just a fair price I will probablly consider other options before i buy this one thanks | |||
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Unless you have a burning urge to own an H&H I would go for a new Ruger African for $900 or less. I was visiting Pa last week and Grices Gun Shop in Clearfield had the right handed Rugers in stock and said the lefties were only a phone call away if I wanted one. If you want stainless and syn stock wait till they bring out there Alaskan model or order a stainless barreled action from MRC. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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That is what all my Winchester and Remington bolts look like. They number the bolts to match the serial number once the rifles have been headspaced. George | |||
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I stand corrected on the lefties in the Super Express. I just think they were finished better (and much lighter in weight) than the newer ones. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Gunbroker has a M-70 LH Safari Express .375 H&H for sale. New in box I believe. | |||
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I just checked and there's a new custom stainless with an opening bid of $2800. Couldn't find the plain Jane. I have a plain Jane LH .375 Safari Express. The bolt numbers you speak of are hand engraved (really squiggly looking), on mine, as George mentioned. That's normal, and if they're not there, the rifle you are talking about has a differnt than original bolt. In one of your posts you seem to state the numbers aren't there and then say they are. I'm confused. | |||
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It sold yesterday for $1751.00. | |||
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jetdrvr, at first i wasn't sure if the bolt had numbers, but after advice from geroges I checked and it does have the engraving on it and the numbers are squiggly. Thanks again for the help guys | |||
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Was that the plain Jane version? Wow! The way mine shoots, it's worth it, though. | |||
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