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I'm working on a load for my 458 Lott using Woodleigh Hydro solids. The choice is between 480g capped and 450g non-capped. I would rather use the 450 g because it would work well with the 450g Swift A Frames I will be using. The question I have is the feeding of the non- capped. Has anybody had any experience with this? | ||
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Just depends on individual rifles. I’ve used non-capped in some, capped in others. Feeding problems if present for any cartridge / bullet can usually be fixed by a gunsmith. Buy a box of the ones you want - there is a good chance they’ll work fine, and if not, a gunsmith can help. | |||
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Many rifles feed both nicely. | |||
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500 tipped fed slick as snot in my CZ Lott White Mountains Arizona | |||
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Thanks guys, I think I'll go with the capped. When you are up close with elephant or buffalo is not the time to find out. | |||
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If you want a real FUBAR situation wait until one of those plastic tips falls off in your magazine due to recoil. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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^^^^^THIS!!!^^^^^ Feeding a flat point or the Hydro's can and should be addressed by a good gunsmith. I really wouldn't want to depend of one of those plastic caps to ensure my rifle fed without issue. If the rifle won't feed them without the cap, I'd have it worked on until it does. | |||
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I personally feel the capped bullets- all of them- CEB, Woodleigh, and Swift are all a cure that is potentially more dangerous than the problem. As Mr. Shoemaker said, they can fall off and jam things up. It’s much better to get the rifle set up properly to feed everything. I liked the old flat meplat Barnes solids, and transitioned to the Northfork after they insisted on going to RN format. I’ve had tips break off of TTSX, Accubonds, A Max’s, Ballistic Tips and sciroccos. While I’ve never had the gun jam up tight, I have had to pull it apart to get the tip out to load to full capacity. I have had AR mags that had to be disassembled to get them to work again. I don’t trust them with DG. | |||
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Have you seen this happen? I’ve shot a fair amount and yet to see it but it is possible for sure
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If you can get them the swift breakaways are simply awe inspiring in the way they penetrate. If you own a gun and you are not a member of the NRA and other pro 2nd amendment organizations then YOU are part of the problem. | |||
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Somewhere in the dark recessed of my aging brain I remember reading one African country had banned monolithic bullets but the capped solids were OK. Since I use the capped hydros in my 450NE it was not an issued for me and therefore only a vague recollection. | |||
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Im a Woodleigh fan, but much prefer the old Woodleigh RN solid, it always worked for me, The flat nosed GS Customs and North Fork is a fine bullet...but any solid you use should be tested extensively by you and you alone is my advise. I would go with uncapped, but have not used either Hydro on buffalo or game of any kind and probably never will.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I assume the capped HYdros would be just fine in a double rifle.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Shot a bunch of capped. No problem for me only for the buffalo......CZ 458 Lott... White Mountains Arizona | |||
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Gunslinger, I have a CZ 458 Lott. The problem I am running into is the monolithic bullets are so long it's hard to find a powder that allows you to seat the bullet deep enough to fit in the magazine. There is plenty of space in the throat but not the magazine. I have settled on H335 or Benchmark, tried H4895 but that would not even come close. | |||
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That is strange. Maybe need a new magazine box? talk to Wayne at AHR. Mine was a 458 win mag that i just reamed out to Lott. Works great and plenty of room in magazine. Not sure If when I had the work done at AHR if he put a new magazine on it. All my reloads and factory stuff fit and its full power. 5 down and one up the pipe is a lot of firepower White Mountains Arizona | |||
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No need for a cap. Cap is for feeding in a repeater. Maybe minimal aerodynamic value...
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If anyone wants some pics off the 500 grain tipped p.458’s recovered (there was only a few and were lengthwise shots) I got some. The performance was pretty outstanding. I can’t post here as I don’t have a host pm me if interested White Mountains Arizona | |||
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I have personally had the blue tip break off of barnes bullets, in a cz, because of recoil pushing the tip of the round under the bolt, into the feed ramp. It jammed my rifle up good and took about 5-10 minutes to clear. I have a feeling a round cap would be less prone to coming off, but always test your bullets in your rifle, loading the mags up full. maybe the capped version would work great in your rifle. Only one way to truely find out. | |||
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I lost balistic tips on most brands, Nosler Accubonds are a favorite of mine but two caps came off over the years, Swifts came off a number of times, and they mostly came off in the box!!, but it bothers me not on non dangerous game and it never jammed my rifle, so Ive been lucky there so far.... On dangerous game I have used a lot of GS Customs and North Fork flat nose solids, but my guns were tweeked to feed them, I like flat nose solids and the best I ever used were Bridgers, but last I heard he died of cancer..I still have some of those..and never doubt the old Woodleigh solid, they have worked for eons, and still do, and that "old round nose" is pretty darn good insurance in the magazine or in the buffalo IMO..with solids its mostly been a fix for a non existent problem.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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These are not ballistic tips and they have not come off. Hopefully wpodleigh extensively tested these and I certainly did. No issues. Except slick feeding and dead buffalo White Mountains Arizona | |||
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I only hope all you guys who love the cute little plastic tips all the best. They are effective for long range shooting, which is what they were developed for. But for large dangerous game that is shot up close they are one additional thing that can, and as many with experience will tell you, eventually will cause trouble with heavy recoiling calibers. Just because you have never experienced it, it is like not wearing a seat belt because you have never been in a wreck. But if you shoot a Blaser I am sure you will be fine . Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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They are not little plastic tips. They are quite large. I understand what you are saying I will take it into consideration. Smooth feeding seems like it would be a good thing as well. Any actually heard of a woodleight tip falling off? White Mountains Arizona | |||
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With all due respect Phil, they were developed in this case to aid in the feeding of the blunt nosed Hydro's in magazine rifles. No other purpose and they fall off early on in flight. Not required in double rifles obviously. They do come off quite easily with a pair of pliers and can be snapped back in place. I love the hydro's but don't require the capped version for any of the rifles I've tried them in. Ruger MkII in 338WM, Remington Zastava 798 in 458WM, M70 in 416RM and a friends Kimber Select Classic in 338WM. https://imgur.com/igI6ZhV | |||
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I only used the tipped because I got them at a deep discount. I’ll take a tip on and see how it feeds in my CZ 550 White Mountains Arizona | |||
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I understand they are not ballistic tips but for lack of a better name I refered to them as that, and all seem to understand...If you prefer the word cap Im good with that. that said the Accubond, Hornady, swift, all seem to lose the caps from time to time, I assume the Woodleigh might also..For DG such is not for me, like I said the old round nose Woodleigh solid is damn hard to beat and battle proven. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Hi Ray, I've always been told never to assume anything..... The caps on the Woodleighs are totally different design to the Accubond etc tipped bullets. They are an actual cap that is fitted after the projectile is made, not during the process.They are an afterthought as some people had difficulty with feeding the uncapped version. Yes indeed, people should have a look at the feeding issue of their rifles, not the bullet.... I don't and will not use the capped version but have full confidence in using the Hydro for any big game hunting and have taken Asian water buff, cape buff, boar, donkey and hippo with them and they will be loaded in my 450NE for elephant next year. Cheers, Mark. | |||
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Agreed there is a misconception going on here. The hydro is a cup point solid. Has a pretty unique blunt nose with dished “cup” with some edges. The plastic nose covers that up in a nice curved black nose for feeding purposes, not aerodynamic ones. I’d love to hear anyone that knows first hand whether this has caused an issue. Has not in my 458 Lott so far... White Mountains Arizona | |||
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