At that price point should garnish some of the market that CZ and Ruger have been getting. Assuming the quality/performance will be good, no reason to think otherwise. Glad to see Winchster making an effort to come back.

I saw that too last week. I am having a friend checking on it as of now.

ive seen the winchester 2010 dealer's catalog.... locally my dealer told me he'd expect them to sell for $1150.... im betting the .375 will be 1st...

Im holding out for the 470 capstick.... Should be a good run if the quality matches their new standard rifles.

John

I was just thinking about getting into a 416. a winchester 416 rem would be nice.

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:
Im holding out for the 470 capstick.... Should be a good run if the quality matches their new standard rifles.

John

They are going to chamber it in .470?

I have quite a few of the last generation Mod 70's and recently looked at a new super grade 30-06. The action on the new model is smoother than any of my older models. I thought it was perhaps the specific gun I was handling so I worked the actions on a few others. They were all very nice. I cannot vouch for how well they shoot but the actions are nice.

EZ

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Originally posted by carnold724:

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:
Im holding out for the 470 capstick.... Should be a good run if the quality matches their new standard rifles.

John

They are going to chamber it in .470?

No plans have been inked as of yet, but considering they ran them before, I would hope they will again. Besides, I have two 375's, one 416 Rigby, and a 458 WIn. I could do a lott conversion, but I feel all warm and fuzzy over a 470.

John

I didn't realise they had before. Just Googled it and thats great! I want to get a .470 myself eventually and to have one factory chambered in my favorite rifle would be terrific!

The sad thing is I had one on order just when the custom shop pulled out of production. Bummer. We shall see what they come up with....

John

You still have to deal with that "New-Improved" browning trigger!

Big Bore Boar and Carnold724

I have two of those Winchester M70 Capsticks that come out of the Custom Shop in New Haven. They made 125 of them as I recall for their Big 5 Series Rifles. I was on two of thos serial numbers. I think the 470s were the Rhinos.

Couple of things, I knew the folks at the Custom Shop very well! But when they went to the Capstick they just put in on their standar long action they used for 416 Rem and 458 Lott. Didn't modify at all. The 470s were just so slightly bigger in diameter that the cartridges would not retain in the magazine at all. Kept me from using mine on a couple of trips I had planned for them! Winchester did their best to sort them out, but after two goes at it they give up on me. They just did not have the in house expertise to sort it out at the time. Finally when I started working with Brian at SSK he sorted both rifles out for me in short order, no big deal for him. Now both of them work fine, but with all the new cartridges and rifles I shoot, my own series cartridges, the 470s have been retired, even before going to the field!

I did have Brian shorten the barrels to 22 and 21 inches, put that dark bright blue job on them, NECG barrel band front sight, and rear! They look good as hell now!

What I am getting around to, the long way, is that most likely you would be better off to get some one to convert an existing 375 for you, and put a proper barrel on. The barrels on my 470s I have to question? Not sure where Winchester picked them up at the time. I think you might come out with a better rifle that way to be honest! Of course the retain the rounds down is still an issue, but there are a few folks that know how to do that proper for you, make sure of that to begin with.

I think, could be very wrong, but I think it will be a very very long time, if ever that Winchester will get back to a 470 Capstick!

Michael

IB 404 have you heard about problems with that trigger ?
I Looked at lispys price on the CZ American safari. and it's the same price give or take a few bucks as the model 70, so lets hope when they trickle down to the retailers they run about the 1000,00 bucks a CZ costs...tj3006

It looks like dealer is $987.77 at Lipseys. So street price will probably be $1,100+ depending on your dealer and how available these things become.

Can anyone tell me approximately what it used to cost to get a plain jane M70, like a 404 (not necessarily -just for instance), from their custom shop?

Were you limited to a short list of chamberings or free to specify any reasonable fit ctg. Like 404j.

One good thing about the trigger is all stainless construction. Does not sound like a big deal until you see a Rem 700 fire on cocking due to internal corrosion of the trigger.

fourbore

Back in the late 90s and early 2000-2003 or so I picked up several rifles from the Custom Shop in 385 STA, 416 Remington, 458 Winchester, 458 Lott and the 470 Capsticks. Depending this that and the other, from as little as $1500-$2500 or there abouts. I don't know if they even have a Custom Shop right now? Some of the last guns they put out was some sort of North American series, WSM small bores, and they were far too expensive for what they were, and I had no interest in those at all. To the best of my knowledge (Which is limited) they never built a 404 J. I know they advertised a 416 Rigby, but I never saw one, never heard of one, and I think I asked Leslie one time and she told me they had never done one, but on that I might be mistaken?

Many of these same Custom Shop guns you see from time to time on gunbroker or various places, and they ask a fortune for them these days. Especially the big bore rifles. I have seen them from $3000-$5000. Now nice they are, I have a bunch of them, but they are not worth that, at least not to me, and I love Winchesters!

Now just box stock plain jane 416s-458s would run around $1000 as I recall back in the New Haven days. I think I even bought 1 458 Win for around $800.00. Today on gunbroker those seem to go in that $1200-$1500 range. Some of course are just not reasonable, $2000 or better.

I think it was 416 Remington and 458 Winchester in the big bores, 458 Lott came out of the Custom Shop as far as I know. I don't ever recall, someone else might, a standard listing for 458 Lott, and all the ones I have ever seen were Custom Shop guns.

That's as I recall, I might be incorrect on some points for sure, so don't take that to the bank!

Michael

Thanks Mike,

Here's a link to one of the Model 70s in 470 Capstick Cabelas sold. I did have lust in my heart for it though too dear for me.

http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inv...-win70big5-boi.shtml

Chuck

Hey 470 Capstick guys, that are looking at the Big Five series 470 Capstick!!!


I did forget to mention something about those guns. Of course Winchester made 125 of those guns. As mentioned I have two of those, #50 and #97. When I started doing test work on the loads and bullets I had been shooting irons to begin with. I tried to put a scope on these rifles, both of them, but could not get enough windage to get either of them sighted in. I tried everything, different scope and everything I could think of, no deal. When I sent them back to Leslie at the Custom Shop I asked her to check the scope screw holes in the receiver and straighten them out if need be, and the issue I was having.

A few weeks went by, and I spoke to Leslie, they had to replace BOTH RECEIVERS! Someone somewhere had not set up the machine correct and the screw holes for scope mounts were so far out of line they could not fix without replacing both receivers!

Now I don't know nothing, but if both of my rifles were that far out, what about the other 123 rifles????? I suppose if you plan to use irons only, that would be fine. Or if you just want one to sit in the corner and rub on from time to time, that would be fine too. But planning on shooting and mounting a 1.5X5 Leupold on it, well might be another story!

Anyway, just a heads up on that. I would hate like hell for one of you fine gents to spend that much money on one of the other 123 rifles and find out that! Of course a decent gunsmith might sort it out, I am not sure as I sure as hell ain't one of them! I just do the shooting is all!

Michael