First, what would be the heaviest and most durable type of wood for the 4 bore that Mr. Hubel and others are working on?

Second, what are the different options (excluding checkering and engraving) that one can request from a stock maker?

Third, who makes that big 4 bore action..... his name starts with a B. Bochart(sp?) or something. How much will one set you back?


Thanks
Larry A.

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Originally posted by Nishoba01:
Third, who makes that big 4 bore action..... his name starts with a B. Bochart(sp?) or something. How much will one set you back?


Thanks
Larry A.

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Larry, you're thinking of the Borchardt action.

George

I would use straight grain, quarter sawn, ENglish walnut.

Options include things such as stock shields for initials/monograms, different types of sling swivels, different types of sheek pieces, raised panels behind the action, beads around panels or cheekpieces, drop points, butt treatments (pad options, butt plate options), addition of wieght, and of course dimensions

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Third, who makes that big 4 bore action..... his name starts with a B. Bochart(sp?) or something. How much will one set you back?


Thanks
Larry A.

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The borcahrdt action costs $2200 by itself.

Karl.

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Originally posted by Karl:

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Third, who makes that big 4 bore action..... his name starts with a B. Bochart(sp?) or something. How much will one set you back?


Thanks
Larry A.

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The borcahrdt action costs $2200 by itself.

Karl.

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Thats it?? I mean that is by no means chump change I just though I recalled someone a few monthes back saying the action alone was a little over 10,000 USD. At any rate that is very good news because now I will have moe capital to put towards the stock, barrel, muzzle break, and recoil reducers that will be needed.

Thanks for all the info guys

Larry A.

edited to add: To make sure we are on the same page about the receiver in question guy's..

this-----> <---is the Borcahrdt and it's $2,200 USD for that custom action?

Larry-- That is not the Borchardt Action.
That is one of two special guns built for
John Ross by Clayton Nelson( Who is retired).
Kent Lamont got one from John, they cost about
$40k..Here is picture of Borchardt rifle in
50 cal, from one of their brochures.

Also on the other thread you asked about the
process I use to build my 700 cases.First
I turn the start of the belt shoulder on a
bmg case, then using swage die I size the base and bottom third of the case.Then we anneal
case neck and shoulder, and expand top part of the case out to 700 bore. We expand it by either using 4 expanders in steps or fireforming.Time is about an hour for first method and less than half of that for second, as fireforming part only
takes 5 minutes.I will post a picture showing
the cases in progression at the three stages.
Will get pic on in couple days...Ed

Thanks Mr Hubel.

Larry A.

Larry, yep $2200 is what they quoted me last year.

This is nnother of the Borchardt, in 50BMG.

[url="http://www.hunt101.com/?p=107718&c=544&z=1"] [/url]

Karl.

It's pretty.... what type of action is it?

Also what type of acion is the Clayton Nelson action I inquired about?

Since some of you have been in contact with Mr. Borchardt, do you think he'd be able to scale that up to handle Mr. Hubels 1000HE/4 Bore?

From info I have and the pictures, I think
the Borchardt falling block action is big enough now with a little work on clearances for 4 bore.I am leaning toward a State arms shellholder bolt action
later on to do the 4 bore as it is only about
a third the cost.And I can use it on my other
caliber barrel/chamber combinations also.
The action Nelson built is a falling block
also and is a much fancier, nicer action than
all the others, which was a factor in its
high cost.Complete rifle was essentially the
equivalent to an expensive hand built English
classic falling block, big game rifle.Ed.

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Originally posted by hubel458:
From info I have and the pictures, I think
the Borchardt falling block action is big enough now with a little work on clearances for 4 bore.I am leaning toward a State arms shellholder bolt action
later on to do the 4 bore as it is only about
a third the cost.And I can use it on my other
caliber barrel/chamber combinations also.
The action Nelson built is a falling block
also and is a much fancier, nicer action than
all the others, which was a factor in its
high cost.Complete rifle was essentially the
equivalent to an expensive hand built English
classic falling block, big game rifle.Ed.

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State arms, you honestly think one of their actions could handle your super powered 1000 HE/4 Bore? I mean I've heard their overly strong, but that strong?

Larry A.

Larry--The State Arms shellholder action was tested to destruction and it took 6 times bmg
forces to do it damage.And the bolt still held,
although barrel blew.If we run the 4bore to Bmg
pressures it will be over 43,000 ft lbs energy,
and I think human tolerance is about half that with 30 lb gun.Like what my 700HE would do, in
a 30 lb gun.Which means the 4bore is going to be loaded to milder pressures unless you build a cannon on wheels.You would never hurt that action or the Borchardt either.
Also we call it the 4bore
not 1000HE as that one is not one that I am
satisfied with to promote it.Most fellas will be doing these in guns where rimmed cases are used, so we just call it 4bore.Like the old 4bore rimmed cases. Even the shellholder action will use rim for headspacing
and holding case so firing pin strikes primer
properly.But ideally if we could find someone to build a scaled up break action ,like TCR 87, reasonable, that is what a 4bore, due to tradition, should be in.Ed

About how much machine time (re:ball park estimate) would it take to creat one of those for a skilled machinest?

What would you or anyone else here think of a O&U 700HE/4 bore, 600 OK/4 Bore or even a 550 Mag/4 Bore setup? I was thinking both barrels between 25-30" could have intergral brakes on them so the asthetics of the gun wouldn't be ruined for some of the purists here. Also the stock could/would have recoil reducers in it. Do you think with rig like that the weight of the gun could be kept between 19-20 lbs.?

Also,are there any integral brakes that work as well as the add-on?

Thanks
Larry A.

I don't know what it would take to build a big
break action, time wise. Couple days?? Once
they are set up? Our idea and
hope down the road is that someone can do it
for less than a Borchardt costs, with a good buttstock mounting design(socket) so stocks
will hold recoil.

Top a 4bore, bottom 700HE,600OK,550Mag, is a
real interesting concept for a O/U.
4bore over a 577NE might be better for extraction, or 4bore over 12GA FH, if you
want to go wild. Wouldn't that be a wild hog
gun Rob? You definitly would get a kick out of it at 20 lbs.Don't know if it could be done that light. Ed.

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Originally posted by hubel458:
Don't know if it could be done that light. Ed.

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Even braked/w recoil reducers? Or are you saying not that light due to all the steel needed for those big rounds..?

Larry A.


edited to add: Whats the average weight of O&U in Big bore calibers?

I think if they were done that light at 20 lbs
and with brakes built in that the barrels would be a little to thin for medium pressure loads.
Example my medium wt 12GA FH barrel that is on
the Savage bolt action is 14 lbs. Could be lightened to about 10 lbs, and a 4bore barrel of safe thickness added together to make up an over/under adds up, plus action,which on
something this big will also be heavy and wood.
So if you want to build a super light O/U in
calibers like these, you won't have barrel thickness for anything above real low shotgun
pressures.And not safe I feel. Ed.

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Originally posted by hubel458:
I think if they were done that light at 20 lbs
and with brakes built in that the barrels would be a little to thin for medium pressure loads.
Example my medium wt 12GA FH barrel that is on
the Savage bolt action is 14 lbs. Could be lightened to about 10 lbs, and a 4bore barrel of safe thickness added together to make up an over/under adds up, plus action,which on
something this big will also be heavy and wood.
So if you want to build a super light O/U in
calibers like these, you won't have barrel thickness for anything above real low shotgun
pressures.And not safe I feel. Ed.

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What would you expect the weight of the rifle would need to be to ensure the safety of the user?

Larry A.

[Larry A.

edited to add: To make sure we are on the same page about the receiver in question guy's..

this----->http://www.hunt101.com/img/243972-big.JPG <---is the Borcahrdt and it's $2,200 USD for that custom action? [/QUOTE]

What is that monster?

Mehul--That "little gun" is a 4bore Farqhuarson style falling
block built by Clayton Nelson.Weighs about 25 lbs.If built for me it would have another 6 in of barrel and 5 lbs.He only built two.Ed.