My guess is that it is going to be CZ within the next 3 years.

I hope you are right.

A lot of shooters are bored with the same old offerings. For example, why do CZ and Winchester offer a 458 win mag instead of a 458 lott? Maybe they do not want to go to the trouble of a good bedding job to avoid stock splitting.

CZ should offer their 550 in 500 jeffery and 500 A-Square with an English style classic stock.

Sign me up for a CZ .510 as well.

I bet it's Marlin with a 50 Alaskan. I sure would like to have a CZ 500 A2 though!

Sorry, Marlins don't count.

Remington: 700 Classic in .50 BMG. They will also bring out a new 750gr Corelock just for the occasion. Just a thought.

Nobody! .510 rifles were always custom propositions and will remain so. There isn't the market for them (no matter how hard we wish the contrary) and the recoil makes them so specialized that major mfr's couldn't make their costs. Sorry.

Sarge

I sure don't see a 510 Ultra mag in the future. Remington couldn't handle it in their action. I doubt anyone else would try a 500. Demand isn't there. If anything, it would be a custom/semi-custom rifle maker.

SIG builds their Mauser in 500 Jeffery, if anyone was going to out do this I would bet on CZ. I really doubt you will see any cartridge development beyond .458 diameter in the near future. I would like to see a stainless winchester with a laminated stock in .458 let alone something better and that probably will not happen either

I know I will be thrown out:

there are much too less nuts buying a > 500!

( excepting this forum ;-)))

H

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I'd bet against it. If anyone did do it though, it would likely be CZ. Too much liability and extra work involved in a rifle with recoil of that magnitude...and too much pressure from the antigun/antiterrorist crowd. Even though I'd like to see it, I'd still agree with Oldsarge and bet against it.
Good Hunting,

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Marlin's Count. They would sell a whole lot more 50 AKs that CZ would 500 what-evers. There is a whole lot bigger market for a 50 AK type of cartridge than there is for the 500 A Squares and such. JMO

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Voere Austria offers now a DGR 2002XXL in calibers up to .505 Gibbs.

Hi
I dare say that there allready is a ,510 rifle avalible as a production rifle.
I am refering to the Heym riles.
Take a look at:
http://www.shooting-center.de/frame_set_e.html
And:
http://www.heym-waffenfabrik.de/

Just make your choise of caliber.

Softlead

The .510 dia is just too specialized to ever be a production rifle. No chance of it. .510 has the 500 Jeffery, 500 AHR, 500 A-Square calibers and these can be obtained almost on a custom basis, not our local gun store, from Searcy, American Hunting Rifles, Selous Rifles and Heym for starters.
Was surprised that Heym actually makes such a wide variety of big bore rifles, must investigate further.
Saw a couple of 500's at the Dallas show, lookers but no immediate buyers. Seems the client must have big game hunts in his future to justify the purchase. I don't think recoil is that important as the many fine custom gun makers know how to deal with it and the shooter's on this forum love recoil.

Real hunting is using a big bore!

HI,

I am getting a 50-110 made by MR. Dave Clay on a win 86. I like the big .510 bullets,but it is a little costly.Kev

500grains,

I talked to the Winchester (USRAC) marketing types in the booth at the SCI Convention about the .458 Lott. The nice booth lady said the factory doesn't even have reamers for the Lott, much plans to build them, although they do advertise them from the Custom Shop.

They also say .470 Capstick too, but the last time they advertised them I sent in an order via my dealer which they declined to fill.

jim dodd

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"if you are to busy to
hunt, you are too busy."

Umm...doesn't .510 put you into DD territory with ATF? What are you going to grandfather to get a sporting purpose exemption? A .498 is more likely.

The .408 CheyTac is a more likely possibility. EDM and Lost River Ballistics are working well together on a 3000M supersonic package.

Bigger than .500 is not big deal for the BATF as long as the gun is for sporting purposes and 'not likely to be used as a weapon'.

Even the 50 BMG sniper rifles fall into this category because it is very unlikely that anyone would try to rob a bank with one.'

577 nitro and 600 nitro doubles are also in this category.

So it is really a silly restriction.

I suppose that it prevents someone for rechambering an AR-15 to 585 nyati with 30 round clips.

My guess for a domestic gunmaker that will offer a 0.510 knocksitslightsout is Lazzeronni. But that would be a semi-custom proposition at best. As said before, the market doesn't exist.

How about Weatherby with a 510? The action and stock would not need any modifications. However, I would expect CZ to get a >500 first since the 460 Wby is already considered overpowerful.

DavidReed,

I think the market exists, but not at 375 prices.

We see this with the 35 Whelen and 375 H&H.

There are probably more shooters of the 35 Whelen than 375 H&H but the 35 Whelen market won't bear the higher prices of ammo and rifles like the 375 does.

Consider the price difference between a M70 blue/walnut in 375 and 338.

I suspect CZ could bring out a 505 if the price was a fair bit higher than their 416, but I think it might require a better brass/ammo situation than currently exists for 500 Jeffrey and 505 Gibbs. I think if Norma or Federal brass was not available for the 416 Rigby then it would go bck to being dead in the water.

What beats me is why Ruger have not done the 470 Nitro on their Number 1 rifle.

Mike

I'll place my bet on a SAKO TRG-S!!
Its plenty of room.
( I really dont think this, but its a bet!!)
It's more likely that CZ, or Mauser will be the first!!

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Shoot well, and hit hard.

Arild.
(And YES, I'm a NRA member!)

"What beats me is why Ruger have not done the 470 Nitro on their Number 1 rifle."

Ruger is a company where everything is done Bill Ruger's way, or no way at all. Bill is borderline senile, so not a lot gets done. Attention to quality control has suffered severely in the past 10 years. I cannot even think about purchasing a new Ruger today.

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With states like California pushing to ban 50 cal. weapons, I think someone needs to make a .498 magnum.