I have been debating back and forth between the .375H&H or 404Jeffery as my bigger of my pair of rifles. I am pretty sure I'll just go with the .375H&H.

Which means when these 4 Rifles we are working on (2 for my wife and 2 for me)are finished. I would probably like to have a dedicated DG rifle.

After reading the thread on .458 velocity got me to thinking. Would a .458 Lott with the Woodleigh 480gn bullets at 2150 to 2200 fps work?

That would give moderate recoil for a .458
(I think) and would still get the job done for DG.

Are there any reasons this combination would not work or would have problems?

Allen

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/873109508

Read this thread if you haven't already.

Anything will really work out of a Lott for pg, it's just a question of how well, which depends on what you're hunting etc.

A 480 going 2200 probably has a trajectory very similar to the 450/400, which was at one time considered a high velocity, flat, all around cal.

That said, I think you might get a bit flatter trajectory, and thus better results on pg, if you load the 400 grain bullets going ~2,400, or the 450 grained bullets going ~2,300 fps.

Unless you plan on taking 300 yard shots, you should be good out to 200 assuming you can shoot straight with the Lott's recoil.

480grs at 2150fps is the long quoted nominal performace for the 450NE, and really, few 450NE rifles meet that performance rifles since the nominal pefromance was acheived with 28" barrels.

So yes it will work on anything.

But why bother? You can get even better terminal performance with a 450gr flat nose solid at 2200fps and 500 grain softs work fine in any situation you need a soft at anything over about 2000fps. You don't need a Lott to get to these numbers, a 458wm will do just fine.

The 480gr Woodleigh has a more forward cannelure that the 500, btw. When I tried reloading both for the 458wm, I found no substantial velocity difference between the two.

If you are trying to limit recoil, the Lott isn't the way to go since to acheive the same velocity with the same bullet as in the 458wm it will need more powder and so have more ejecta. On the otherhand, I can't feel the recoil difference between 458wm loads with 500's or 450's or 350's either.

JPK

maddenwh, thanks for that link I went back and re read it. If I do a .458 it will be a dedicated DG rifle.As I will have a .375 H&H and 6.5x57 Mauser for plains game.

JPK, I was thinking that the placement of the cannelure on the 480gn Woodleigh would reduce
the power capacity of the Lott to close to the .458Win.(less ejecta) and pressures would still be moderate.

I like Woodleigh bullets and thought that in theory a 480gn bullet at 2150fps would have a little less (maybe a slower impulse) recoil than a 500gn bullet at 2150fps.

Allen

I see your point.

But you can get 2150fps+ with the 480gr Woodleigh in the 458wm with even less ejecta than out of a Lott.

On the sharper vs slower recoil, hmm, don't know. But I'll just have to try some 480gr Woodleighs out of my Lott. I've got a bunch from my experimenting with the 458wm. Whenever I get around to it trying it, I'll post results - won't be any time soon though, I've got other pressing loading needs for an upcoming safari and a new 375H&H rifle. But since your still in the planning stage, maybe I;ll get it done before you need to make a decision.

JPK

Just my two cents here... At recoil levels of the 458 win mag/470/etc., it really is difficult to tell the difference of a few pounds of recoil due to different levels of ejecta, particularly whilst hunting. Maybe lower pressure is a better advantage (along with more versatility in the Lott) than less ejecta. Maybe not. Good luck deciding.

For the traditionalists, I see that Hornady will be bringing out 480 gr. softs and solids. More comeptition for Woodleigh if nothing else.

quote:

Originally posted by AllenBosely:

JPK, I was thinking that the placement of the cannelure on the 480gn Woodleigh would reduce
the power capacity of the Lott to close to the .458Win.(less ejecta) and pressures would still be moderate.

I like Woodleigh bullets and thought that in theory a 480gn bullet at 2150fps would have a little less (maybe a slower impulse) recoil than a 500gn bullet at 2150fps.

Allen

..............................You can roll in a cannelure in the place you want it with a cannelure cutter ........If Hornady comes out with 480 gr bullets I,m going to use a bunch of them as I think they are what should have been in the 458 All along until the mono metal revolution .......

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
... If Hornady comes out with 480 gr bullets I,m going to use a bunch of them as I think they are what should have been in the 458 All along until the mono metal revolution ...

http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=769


From Midway's web site:

Hornady Dangerous Game Solids [DGS] 45 Caliber (458 Diameter) 480 Grain Solid Box of 50
Product #: 769068
Status: Available
Our Price: $48.99

Hornady Dangerous Game Expanding [DGX] Bullets 45 Caliber (458 Diameter) 480 Grain Soft Point Box of 50
Product #: 331202
Status: Available
Our Price: $48.99

http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=1&Cat...52***19785***9016***

-Bob F.

Well done by Hornady!!

This will make the .458WinMag better than ever!

Like Gumboot says, should have been this way from the beginning, reaching 2150 with ease, duplicating the .450NE, in stead of the .470NE with a .458 bullet.

..........Copper clad steel jackets ......Tumble them in some black and nasty slickems ,ie molybdenum disulfide powder ...and fire when ready Griddly ..

Expands to 1.5 dia. for the soft? That is not much. I wonder what the reasoning behind that was. Sort of the middle ground between a traditional soft and a solid. It would be interesting to see how they perform on buff on non-bone and shoulder shots.

What has the world come to? Hornady has put on the blitz for the big-bore guys. Who would have ever thought?

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Originally posted by Will:
Expands to 1.5 dia. for the soft? That is not much.

Not even that, 1.25, it says...
I did not notice that in the first run.
That ain't much against a charging lion, I have been told....
They need a lion load, like the A2 Triad.

......What was the big HOO HAWWW about the Interbond bullets ....Some one was posting how a PH almost got killed ????????Perhaps Hornady was ahead of the curve on the [ CUP POINT SOLID ] theory ????................Wonder how the Solids will hold up in the Water Buffalo tests ?????Wonder if it has a flat enough snout to stay head on ..........

Wasn't the 500 grn. IB supposed to be the equivalent of a lion load? I am at work, but I think I remember reading in my 7th edition manual that the heavy IB was designed to be a thorough expander. (front of the manual where bullet types are explained) Maybe I am not remembering correctly. I really like Hornady products (the 100 grain spire point is amazing in 25-06) and want to base my Lott loads with their products. I just need to get my ride out of the gunsmith's shop. It has been there the better part of 6 months. Will have to give these new pills a try.

I've got some Woodleigh solids that should be here within a week.I will put them to the sledgehammer test and compare them to the Barnes bonded solid and Trophy Sledgehammer.I am going to find the ultimate 458 500gr buffalo bullet.The bullet that will SAVE THE DAY.Here is the 500gr Barnes Boded Solid after a few slugs with the sledgehammer.[URL= ]a[/URL]