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Nice. There are a lot of these around- some are lesser expensive utility rifles, but this one looks like the nicer version. Cabelas has had one for quite a while, http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun...386044_wr425_dun.jsp and there is one that has been on gunsamerica for a long time. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976421146.htm I have seen a few more around, I don't recall where- I was looking to buy one. I am sure there are many here more knowledgeable than me on this rifle. Good caliber. ______________________________ "Are you gonna pull them pistols,...or whistle Dixie??" Josie Wales 1866 | |||
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I was fortunate to play with a similar one on my last trip to Zim. It had a flush mag and was a beautiful rifle. For 7KUS I could have taken it home. ozhunter | |||
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Despite some of the issues mentioned about the rifles feeding, and the often long (28") barrels on some, I love these WR .425's! I played around with one a few yearts ago. Thye are kinda odd and full of nostalgia! As I am sure you have read, the 'White Hunter' models (I think that was from WR, the most affordable versions they made) are apparently fraught with feeding and reliabilty issues? | |||
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I would just love one of these!! ![]() So I can't spell, so what!!! Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who beat their swords into ploughshares, will plough for those who don't! | |||
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I bought one from a friend in RSA ,I dont have it yet cos Im still in portugal. He tells me it cycles like a dream and, I trust him, but I still wonder about woodleigh softs on buff....only bullets I can find. Love these colonial calibres though, good luck with yours. | |||
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I have had several of the 425 Westleys when I was dealing in guns and they are very nice. You do not want to buy one without the special clips in the rear of the receiver as they will no feed!! Westley did a great job by addding the spring loaded clips and I never experienced a problem with feeding. | |||
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rolexfan mine doesnt have clips. Ive shot them before and seen them shot. The only trouble Ive seen came from one with the extended mag.I cant remember how they sorted it out. Ive heard talk about mag springs, mag followers, clips, even misaligned mag boxes.....doesnt seem to be any rule though. Maybe they were just thrown together in a hurry and some bad ones ruined the rep of all of them? Waddaya think? boet | |||
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Hello Boet, The only one's I had were the extended mag version and all of them were pre-war. There has been some attempts to make this cartridge up on an FN mauser action with the regular type magazine. Those that i handled were God awful and I would not really trust one to actively hunt dangerous game. The old guns(with the little clips) fed flawlessly. You could very well be right regarding problems with gun smiths throwing them together and not knowing what they were doing!! There are so many of those wankers out there that it is scary. How long have you been in Portugal? We moved to South America 26 months ago and live in Chile. Africa is our favorite place on earth but I would not move there. We were close in 1995 but our friends in CApe Town warned against it. | |||
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Been in portugal for 5 years now. Africa is wonderful, if you can come and go.To live there....well..how can you learn a new game if the rules keep changeing. Anyhow,saw on the net a while back...cant find it again....a PH in oz necked up a 375 h&h to 435. He calls it the 425 PH. He says its fantastic. Greater frontal area than a 416 and shoots flatter than a 458 in the same weight.He says performance on all kinds of game is awesome. 425WR ballistics with no case problems! No doubt though ,someones gonna bitch about the belt....seems to be fashionable. Enjoy Chile, latinos live with passion boet | |||
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Hi. Im in the process of re-building a 425 WR. If anyone is interested in information, pictures or want to follow the process of this custom rifle project - let me know. From the original archive in WR i have got this information: "Westley Richards Best Quality .425 Bolt Action Rifle, Regular Barrel (25''), Regular Sighting (Westley Combination Foresight). Stock Lenght 14 3/4, Ordinary Bend, Cast Off 1/8, Regular Weight (10-11 lbs). Completed Desember 1920 and sold to JG Gamble". The rifle was built in 1920 and had 25'' barrel - not all were made with 28'' ![]() Here is the stock blank: ![]() Here is the action: ![]() ![]() And here is a picture as one of the models WR made: [URL=http://www.hyperlinkto.com/rolf/private/425_prosjekt.jpg And here is a picture og the "fingers" - You know this project Fossdal ![]() ![]() Rolf | |||
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Why not just have NEW one made up in a caliber you really want by say Empire Rifles? That way you will not stuck with something goofy like .425 rebated absurdity! ![]() | |||
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Paulo, this action has the "fingers" to guide the cartridge during feeding, so it feeds flawless. In an action like that, .425WR is a super cartridge. rrisnes, you would not by any chance have a photo that shows the "fingers"? ![]() Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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I have attached a picture showing the "fingers" ![]() Rolf | |||
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Rolf I would be interested in updates of your 425 re-build with pictures. I would be interested in closeup pictures and physical measurements on action, magazine and fingers if possible. Thanks James | |||
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I think I speak for us as a group when i say that we would all be interested in project progress updates and pictures. It's way better than playboy. Red My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them. -Winston Churchill | |||
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what Dago Red said...except the part about Playboy! Even at your age Red, if you can't cut the mustard, you can still lick the jar!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Rich DRSS | |||
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Hi, Long time - no updates, but here are some photos of the rifle. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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How are those little fingers fastened to the action? Any chance of a picture of that and measurements of the fingers? | |||
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A friend in Colorado has one, an original Westley Richards. I don't know which model it is (White Hunter, PH, etc.) but it is made on a standard model 98, has no "fingers", no "spring clips" and feeds like a dream. Have used Bertram brass, an original Kynoch round and cases made from heavily modified .375 RUM cases and it feeds flawlessly. Shoots good too, I can rapid fire four rounds and keep them on a 6" sqaure steel plate at 50 yards. "I ask, sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them" - George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment during the Virginia convention to ratify the Constitution | |||
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I'l take som pictures and measures later today. If You have a standard action i think You are lucky if it feeds nicely. | |||
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How does it shoot? I have been loading 74grns of AR2208 (Varget) with Hornerber cases, Fed mag primers and Woodleigh bullets for around 2200fps from a 24" barrel. I'm very happy with the way my one shoots but will try to get the MV up around 2250fps . ![]() | |||
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Hi OZhunter, Mine is shooting very nice. I'm using 72 gr N150 and that gives med 2170 fps. Im using Bertram cases and Woodleigh bullets (dont know of any other supplier). I love this rifle ![]() | |||
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I would think it's the "White Hunter" Model. And your right, with proper gunsmithing it can be done. I have one put together by the old Apex Rifle Co., with no fingers, staggerred magazine and it feeds flawlessly and slick. I heavily modify .404 brass as that is what I had and its's no headstamped. If I remember correctly a guy name Sam May ran the old Apex Co. | |||
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Rolf, when showing pic's like that, you should start a new thread! ![]() Q about the checkering, are those square diamonds the way WR did it, or the way it ended up? Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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I have been using 73.5 gr. Varget with old original steel jacket Kynoch (because I have them! From years ago.) and Woodleigh softs. Years ago i was using 4895, but don't recall off hand how much. I probably could find the records. I see I got 2202 fps ave. on the 73.5 load at 13 deg F. last Feb with the steel jacket kynoch. I also tried 76.1 grains a couple of days later, also 13 degrees, for 2245 fps, very little gain so I backed off to 73.5 for the trip, but the 76.1 showed no pressure signs in the Apex rifle Hawk makes bullets, but they are just as high as Woodleigh the last time I checked. | |||
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Hi Bent, Not been posting here for a long time, but i did a search and found out that i not had done what i had promised (post pics) - so i did yesterday..lol U have seen this project on Kammeret (and SL) before ![]() By the way: i dont know if WR did the checkering like this so i guess u could say it just ended up like this. The next project (after the 30-06 Oberndorf) is most likely .318 WR. Im an WR fan..lol | |||
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Any particular reason for going to VARGET from 4895? The German HORNERBER cases are another good option. | |||
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No I don't know the reason for going to Varget. Somewhere I got the load, tried it and I was using it in the .458, so I just switched over. I am not aware of anyone in the USA bringing in the HORNERBERS in .425, but haven't looked around for some time either. | |||
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Horneber ships right to my door. Just email them an order; he'll send you the cost and bank wire info and once that is taken care of they'll be sitting at your door 4 weeks later. | |||
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Wow, like the odd ball, but the wire transfer cost really adds up, but making them out of 404's on the lathe is a pain as well. Cost of nastolgia I guess. Does you have their email address? | |||
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Varget is an "Extreme" powder...meaning that it is temperature insensitive....should work fine in hot and cold. I'm not sure they clasify 4895 in that same category. Both work well in the 425...and the 500 Jeff. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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DHorneber@aol.com or info@huelsen-horneber.de | |||
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Gary, as far as I'm aware, the HOGDEN4895 is re packed ADI AR2206H Aus powder which is great for extreme temperature. The AR2206H is also great for 9.3x62, 458win and the Lott. ![]() | |||
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What made you decide on V N150 in stead of say V N135, N53O or N133? N133 is suppose to be similar to Varget. | |||
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