African Big Game Rifle

http://www.remington.com/firearms/custom/fi_700abg.htm

Should be a super slick and reliable feeded with the centre feed in line magazine.

Mike

I had the opportunity to examine a 700 in .416 that would not eject cartridges or cases. It had an H-S Precision detachable mag. The straight line feeding put too much pressure on the case belts. The extracting case would always hang up on the one in the top of the mag.

Converting back to the hinged floorplate restored the rifle back to its original unreliable function.

That's an ugly piece of scrap metal with a broomstick for a stock.

Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, eh Mike?

Looks, asside, it is still a push feed Remington Mod 700! Not something I'd be too quick to risk my life on!

Mike375,

What happened to KurtC is not new and it doesn't have to be a detachable magazine either. It's just another push feed from Rem. and not worth betting your life on. Lawdog

Glad I am not buying a Remington

But I am even worse as I like Weatherbys.

Actually I would back the in line feed on the 378 based calibre Weatherbys against ANY staggered magazine feed and especially for any calibre where the bullet is round nose and not much smaller in diameter than the chamber.

Mike

Not much left for me to say except until Remington fixes the triggers and goes the control feed route, they are not for me......

Mike,

Looks like you've had better luck fishing than me. I went to a local lake at lunchtime, and managed to get only 3 rainbow trout to bite, and only landed one. Really bummed about loosing the last one, as it would have gone nearly a kelo.

My first REAL big bore was a 450 ack on a 700. It was a very ordinary working rifle built in the early 80s by who knows, but did a very tight job. Other than it wasnt CRF it was ideal. At 1700$$ there are *better* options out there. IMO
just my 2cents

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Mike375,

I'm with you there as I love and collect Weatherby's. Nothing but Mark V Deluxe's. Found a guy with a like new German made Deluxe in .378(no brake) but he must think it's made of gold for what he's asking. Only got three calibers left to get until the collection is complete. Lawdog

Rem. WILL NEVER go the controlled-feed route. They made 'em that way once, the M30's, and they wanted cheap. They got it!!

eldeguello

Why would push feed be cheaper to make and using Model 70 as the example? The only thing I can see is the extractor slot cut in the rear of the barrel.

Mike

Mike,

I cannot answer exactly as to the cost of manufacturing between the two, but it is my understanding that Winchester went to push feed for the cost savings. I also believe that they were either losing money on every Pre-64 or darn close. The money was being made on the ammunition. Of course, I may be totally wrong with everything I just said. But why let facts get in the way of a good story.

With modern multi access CNC machining, the cost savings of the M-700 aren't as great as they used to be. That said, "classic" M-70's while CRF, aren't built to the same standards of fit and finish as the pre-64's.

Other then the trigger/safety issue, I can't see any reason for Rem to alter or change the M700 platform. It is a very popular rifle, and will continue to be for the foreseable future. Those that like them will continue to buy them, and those that understand what makes a good bolt action won't

Mike375
You must be jokeing
I would never pay than kind of dosh for a POS compared to what can be found on the market.

For the price of the rifle here I Sweden I can have two old used Sako Safari rifles. Easy task to choose

I sold my last remington ( made 1968) this week and will never own one again. The old remmy's are often nice, but the new ones are dissaster.

I really hope that Winchester improves their quality. Soon there will be no factory made rifles worth the money for rifle loonies

Does anyone know how much the price of the pre 64 would be in today's money

/ JOHAN

Claw extractors must be hand fitted to each rifle, especially ones that are true to Paul Mauser's design.

Considering that a 700 retails for 3x it's manufacturing costs, Remington could certainly absorb it without raising prices. The problem is that they would be admitting that they were wrong for 50 years. That is not likely to happen without a court order.

KurtC

I think the main reason Remington don't change is because they see no increase in sales except for a few rifles like the one above.

I very much like the idea used by Savage and the Model 70 Black Shadow where you have push feed converted to CRF by cutting out a section of the counterbore. That way you can run ammo through a magazine without having to chamber but can still set up to swap barrels between actions.

Where Remington have been successful is getting a name in the accuracy department. I think the average gun buyer is more influenced by very keen gun owners using an action for extreme accuracy than is the case where very keen gun owners give their endorsement to an action based on dangerous game hunting. I know that in Australia many shooters buy a Leupold scope because of their domination in the benchrest scene.

Mike