I am looking at a .416 cal. rifle for african game and big bears. Please tell me about the .416 Hoffman and Taylor. Also any other .416 wildcats you have experimented with.
Posts: 567 | Location: Washington | Registered: 21 February 2002
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Seamus O'Grady: Hi Seamus, The 416 Taylor is based on the 458 winchester case necked down and is capable of 2400 fps with a 400 grain bullet in most guns with a 24 inch barrel. The 416 Hoffman is basically the forerunner of the 416 Remington. George came up with one hell of a good cartridge and Remington is now running with the ball. The 416 Hoffman will do anything the Taylor will with less pressure which is a good thing. For the perpose you have in mind your best bet would probably be the 416 based on the larger case. Both rifles can be built light but if you plan on going to hot places for African game loading your cartridge to the 2400 fps velocity with less pressure could have a benefit. If you go with a Rigby chambering you will probably be looking into a 10 to 11 lb. rifle the other two would probably run 9 to 9 1/2 lbs. Hope this helps you.
G'day Seamus I had built a 416SW this is a 505Gibbs improved and necked down to 416 and the neck shortened to 76.5mm/3.012" The neck is shortened so I could crimp in the canelure of a Woodleigh bullet and still get the round in the mag. Still doing the load development for this one.
Posts: 787 | Location: Melbourne, Australia | Registered: 15 January 2002
I have a 416 Taylor and really like the rifle. It is built on the Ruger action and weighs 9lbs. Cases are easy to form by simply running them through a neck sizeing die.
416 Howell is beltless and equals 416 Remington performance in a shorter cartridge. Perfect for a Pre 64 M70, got one in the shop now that is complete. Even have the headstamp for stamping the 404 basic brass that the case is formed from.
This cartridge feeds like greased goose poop in the pre 64.
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416 Howell on the left, 416 Remington in the center, 404 Jeffery on the right. 404 is the parent case for the 416 Howell. Ken Howell designed his 416 about 1980, it did not catch on because of a lack of bullets back then. Different story now. I have Ken's original chamber reamer.
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I have a 416 Taylor and thoroughly enjoy shooting it. I'm still in the process of working up loads so can't give you any recipes. I will pass on what a PH in Mozambique is doing though. He has several PH's working for him and he furnished them with 416 Taylors on 98 actions. They are using Hornady 400 grain RN's at 2260 fps on buffalo and having very good success and bullet performance. The only problems they have had is breaking stocks--unreinforced African walnut. I believe they've started glass bedding them now. FWIW Good Hunting,
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Posts: 6711 | Location: Oklahoma, USA | Registered: 14 March 2001
Gentlemen, if you could help me with this question is REMINGTON coming out with a 416 Ultra or is this just talk?. If they do I assume it will fit the same length action as the 416 REM??? This is like area 51, no one is talking? Kev
Posts: 1002 | Location: ALASKA, USA | Registered: 22 May 2002
I think the "talk" was much stronger sometime ago. Saeed said he had reamer specifications from Remington but that was quite a while ago. Personally, I don't think we will see a 416 Ultra because the 375 Ultra does not seem to be doing real well and I think the CZ 550 in 416 Rigby is big opposition.
A 416 Ultra would have the same case length as the 416 Reminton and 375 H&H. Also, bullets like the 400 grain Hornady have the cannelure positioned so as to produce a 3.6" over all length.
Mike
Posts: 7206 | Location: Sydney, Australia | Registered: 22 May 2002
I emailed Remington about a month ago and asked if they were going to put out the ultra in a 416. They emailed back and said they had no plans to put out the 416 in the ultra as they already have the .416 Rem Mag.
quote:Originally posted by Mike375: Personally, I don't think we will see a 416 Ultra because the 375 Ultra does not seem to be doing real well and I think the CZ 550 in 416 Rigby is big opposition.
Yeah. What you said.
Russ
Posts: 2982 | Location: Silvis, IL | Registered: 12 May 2001
quote:Originally posted by John Ricks: 416 Howell is beltless and equals 416 Remington performance in a shorter cartridge.
At the risk of seeming argumentative (I'm not trying to be -- not in this instance, anyway), could you list some load data and downrange numbers for the .416 Howell?
Thanks.
Russ
Posts: 2982 | Location: Silvis, IL | Registered: 12 May 2001
I just posted a subject on this, but I am wondering how much more will a 416 dakota do over a 416 rem?, will it get more than 100fps or not?.If not what is the point? Kev
Posts: 1002 | Location: ALASKA, USA | Registered: 22 May 2002
