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Anyone using Aimpoints,Red dots on their DG bolt guns? Which ones and how are they mounted? | ||
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Trijicon RMR on 416 Rem Mag M70. (Also 500NE single shot and 375 bolt) Have got Weaver mounts on he gun and mount the sight on the front one. I have tried to get some research on the optimal distance to mount and couldn't really find anything. Trijicon was singularly unhelpfull with a request on mounting distance research info, just regurged the info on their site. Playing between front and rear I eventually settled on front mounting, the feel is just better for me. My other sight or the rifle is a Trijicon 1 - 4 Accupoint scope in Warne QR mounts. Switching between RMR and scope after every shot yielded a 1.5" group at 50 yds with RMR and a 1,6” group at 100 yds with the scope, 3 shots at every distance. More than adequate for big game application for me. The rifle is 0.75MOA gun if the scope is left alone, there is obviously a a bit of 'zero wander' when the scope is removed and replaced but not enough to impact application. 1.5MOA at 50 yds is about what I can deliver with the RMR, couldn't really quantify any 'zero wander' there. | |||
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Did you ever consider their Reflex sight? | |||
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No, my impression was that it is big and clumsy and needed a Piccatinny rail to mount on, compared to the RMR. I do not like rails on a DG gun, the loading port needs to be as accessible as possible. Looks like a good optic for a tactical gun. | |||
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Burris FastFire II on a 458 AccRel. 400 rounds and I love the sight. It is on a weaver base on the front receiver ring and is just high enough to prevent cheekbone slap in recoil. Target acquisition is really fast. If I pull it off, QD screw, and use the NECG rear aperature, I get bumped sometimes on the cheek.  | |||
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What I was looking for, thanks. DOES the rear sight stay on all the time? | |||
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Not on a DG rifle but as an experiment I put a C-more red dot on a couple bolt guns using Weaver rails. A 270 and a 30/06. One rifle had iron sights and the other had none. The sights on the rifle tended to be a distraction, I had to learn to ignore them. Without a front sight it was better, but no backup if the thing fails. The C-more is big and sits nearly as high as a scope, I think the Burris Fist fire or the Leo Delta point could be mounted much lower and be more like shooting iron sights and would be less likely to be damaged. I ended up putting it back on a Ruger 44 Semi auto Carbine for a hog gun in the brush. Mark | |||
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Could be lower if you mounted the sight on a quarter rib like folks do on their Doubles. | |||
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On handguns people are cutting integral mounts for the small red dots like the delta Point. As Zephyr says it could be inletted into a quarter rib. Mark  | |||
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IMHO on doubles and bolt rifles the best red dots are the Docter Optic, Trijicon, Burris Fast Fire, etc... They are small, light, and rugged. They work great. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Zeph, Rear sight stays on. | |||
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On my wife's 500NE the Trijicon custom base is inletted into the quarter rib where the rear sight used to fit. Also works well. | |||
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After tens of thousands of rounds through 1911's I shot a gun rigged like yours. It felt weird to have to lift my head to get into the sights, but muscle memory is muscle memory and can be changes. Have a nephew in the SF community and most of his contemporaries are fitting out their Glocks with Dr.Optics. | |||
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Mark I like the way you moved the rear sight forward, I assume for the off chance that if the Delta Point dies you can push it out and still have sights.. | |||
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I've used several different ones on handguns, and they all have the same feature in common: the closer they are to your eye, the more field of view you have. If you shoot with both eyes open, then it shouldn't make much of a difference, but with one eye closed, the closer the better. | |||
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I have several brands and have used them on large bore rifles and handguns for DG and PG, including Elephant, very successfully. They are fast and accurate. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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First let me say that is not my gun, I used that picture to illustrate how the red dots are being installed directly without the mounting plate or Pic rail. In situation hunting in a far off land I would want the backup of the iron sights. That said, the pistol shooting crowd is using them on nearly every gun in the classes they are allowed. If the red dots were failing they would not be being used. The abuse on a handgun and with thousands of rounds would be far worse than a hunting rifle. Mark | |||
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As I have got older, my ability to shoot really fast with peep sights has fallen. Fot the past 10 years now I have been experimenting with a wide veriety of red dot sights on my dangerous game rifles. I have tried- two different Burris's Zeiss Leupold Delta Point and a ring sight intended for the AR Three different Trijicons Both my double and my 9,3 now wear Aimpoint Micro's as standard, with a leupold delta point (Pre Zeroed) as back up in my scout's backpack...to be sure to be sure. | |||
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Thanks Don; why don't you have a 'normal' (eg a straight-tubed) scope on your bolt-action? Or is it better to standardize (with the same scope model), on both your double & bolt rifles? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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I have Aimpoint on my Whelen and will be puting one on my 416Rigby. They are a hard wearing scope and the fastest sight I have used. Bloke I know mounted one of the C3 on his Nyati. The mount broke and Aimpoint went flying but still works with no sign of damage. | |||
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One would tend to think that the weak link on the single mount optics is the mount. Sort of gives the nod to Aimpoints Hunter and 9000 which uses two mounts like a traditional scope. | |||
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With tall sights you can see them through the glass. | |||
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I personally don't like anything above the action on a dangerous game rifle. Yes, mounting a 'heavy' red dot like an aimpoint Micro on the front reciever required bigger screws than standard. When hunting for the pot or plainsgame my rifle takes a Leupold VX VI, if dangerous game are in the offering, unclip and put the aimpoint on. The back up delta point has the same german mounts and goes on without the need to re-zero. I just find the tube on the Aimpoint Micro functions like a big peep sight when I shoot with both eyes open. If I need to shoot left handed I just close my right eye and I am still on target which does not seem to be the case with sights like the delta point, fast fire etc. | |||
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I have also used the Aimpoint Micro with great succes hunting hippo on the orangefields at night.. Mounted on my 500 AccRel on the front bridge as well.. Very fast indeed used with both eyes open.. In daylight I still prefer the ghostring sights on the rifle - but I am also younger than Ganyana...  | |||
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Hey, Don's not that old   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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I use a Docter Optic on a Ruger M77 in .416 Ruger. No complaints except that I had to mount it on the front scope mount because it interferes with the bolt handle in the rear mount. On the front it interferes with one-hand carry of the gun because it is exactly at the balance point. Quick, Cheap, or Good: Pick Two | |||
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What base are you using for this setup? I have seen some (weaver brand?) bases that mount on the ruger notched receiver then any picatinny style ring/mount fill fit on it. "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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As someone alluded to the Aimpoint can work when using the Bindon aiming concept. That is leave the front lens cap closed but shoot with both eyes open and you will still put tedot on target. Watch the Trijacon RMR etc. I forget which of them but with the sun at the wrong angle it flares and you loose the dot. | |||
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It seems that the ideal spot for a red dot, aimpoint would be some where between the action and the rear sight, these sights work better farther from your eyes. Where as putting a base and sight on the front bridge is the easiest solution it is as Vol717 says at the balance point and may even interfere with loading. Fitting a piece of Picattiny rail just in front of the rear sight on the barrel would take some doing considering the contour but would seem to be ideal. It would lower the sight considerably giving one a more natural cheek weld. QD mount would get into their irons if needed. Got all winter to work on this project thanks for the advice keep it coming. | |||
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I've got an Aimpoint 5000 in the box if anyone is interested. Comes with Weaver-type rings, but looks like any 30mm rings would work on it. Not sure that's it's ever been used. $195 TYD.     | |||
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Ultradots would be my suggestion. You will not find a tougher red dot-type sight on the market. I have been beating them up for years on very heavily recoiling revolvers. They are priced right, have a lifetime warranty, and they will take a tremendous pounding. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Haven't used one on a bolt rifle ... but did put a Burris FastFire II into the rear sight dovetail of my older Searcy field grade .470 NE double rifle. Works for me! Don't see why one could not do the same with a bolt rifle. May have to try it. Would stay with the small form factor like the FastFire II. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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The other brands seem to get all of the attention but UltraDots are outstanding sights and they are priced right. They have a variety of styles to choose from. I have one that is 15 years old and now mounted on a Benelli auto 12ga and it is going strong. "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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I ran this one on this 375 H&H for awhile and found that it works great but is limited in range  Then there is my son's " tactical" Ruger No 1 35 Whelen  Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Ultradots: Ultradot 30 on a custom Ruger Super Redhawk in .500 Linebaugh:  And here's an Ultradot LT on BFR in .500 JRH:  I might add that big-bore revolver shooters have been reducing red dot-type sights to rubble for a long time now and if they can stand up to the recoil impulses of these guns, the rifles won't typically harm them. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I have found that any of the Head Up Display/holographic types still need your eye to be somewhere near the central axis of the sight to pick up the dot. Aimpoint you do not need to do this. Most of the Aimpoints are waterproof to 5meters or deeper. Originaly designed to sit on 20mm antiaircraft cannons, they are robust. You can sit the aimpoint on the rear or front bridge or the rear sight. I used what was then a neww 5000 series out to 500meters on targets no trouble. No magnification so it depends on your eye sight. My advice would be to look at as many different types as you can, outside in the sun and positioned as far from your eye as you would mount it and see what works for you. | |||
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