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50 with a good brake is like shooting a remington 1100 with trap loads.. you know you shot, but it's nothing. But it'll also weigh 25# or so, should be accurate as all hell, and with milsurp powder and bullets, a hoot to shoot. grizzly makes a fine one, for the money, and barrett makes a GREAT one.. again, for the money jeffe [ 12-13-2002, 05:55: Message edited by: jeffeosso ] | |||
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The BEST brake on the PLANET for any rifle chambered for .50 BMG is the one ArmaLite makes. I stand behind these words 100 percent, without reservation. I have begged and begged and begged and BEGGED Mark (Westrom) to sell the brakes separately, but he hasn't budged in that direction yet. I still harbor hope. I could tell you what he went through in designing that brake, and the extensive testing, but it would be exhaustive to write. Suffice it for me to say that the damn thing comes closer to ELIMINATING recoil than any other brake on all other .50 BMG rifles. Period. Oh... and the gun itself is pretty accurate, too. Russ | |||
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Oh, I should add that the AR-50 is a lot of fun to shoot on a hot day. Great breeze. Russ | |||
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Russ, It sounds like you have had some experince with the AR-50. You say that it is accurate. Just how accurate is it? That is with both Gov. ball and good hand loads. What could I expect using hand loads with the Hornady A-Max bullets and cartridges put together like I would for my benchrest rifles? Please advise. | ||
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I've been shooting .50BMG in competition for over 5 years now and have owned them for 15. A true 1 moA ( read 10 inch gun) at 1000 yrds is a rare bird indeed ( they will also all be custom guns). I'm not talking about a gun that once in it's life shoots a 1 MOA group, I'm talking about consistent 1 MOA results, time after time( match after match). Most of the factory ones, Grizzly, AR-50,EDM,Barrett ) will do 2 MOA or worse ( thats 20 inches) in the hands of a PRO. . No one is winning FCSA matches with off the shelf .50 BMG's in any class. The above statements are also only true with carefully tuned handloads and .50 BMG MATCH chambered guns. Military ball is designed to disperse and thus isnot very accurate although the 750 gr AP is reportedly much better than the rest. ( expect 2 inch groups at 100 yrds with military ball). The Hornady A-max loads do pretty well ( much better than ball), but most folks use monolithic solids of 750-800 grs at 2600 fps.This statement ( 1 MOA) will also only be true with adjustable front and rear rests and assumes the shooter can judge wind and mirage at 1000 yrds. You will not see this done except by a fluke from a gun shot from a bipod. In April in Reno lots of GOOD EXPERIENCED shooters( with first class equipment) had their bullets blown off target when the wind picked up. The main advantage of the .50BMG is its ballistic coefficient and ability to buck the wind, even so they will drift 3inches/MPH wind. At Reno the wind typically hits 15-20 MPH. Thats 60+ inches of drift at 1000 yrds. It's also not constant which adds to the fun. As far as muzzel brakes go, the most effective are Clam shell type brakes. You will see these on ALL the winning guns. The best way to learn about these things and to separate the hype from the truth is to attend a FCSA match and see for yourself what wins and what loses. Then you deceide how much you want to pay. When you get geared up with even a Grizzly LAR you will wind up having spent $4-5K. It goes up from there. Best of luck and hope this helps-Rob | |||
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quote:Yes, I have some experience with the AR-50. How accurate is it? I think it's honest to say it's as accurate as what you feed it. With various "surplus" ammunitions from different countries, I've seen it do MOA at 200 yards and I've seen it open up a LOT more than that. It depends on what you run through it. I have some of the Hornady A-Max pills for my custom .50 BMG (not an AR-50), and gave some to my buddy who has the ArmaLite. Neither of us have used these bullets yet, but if they're like what I get from my .308s, I expect good things. Visit the ArmaLite website and read more about the AR-50, if you wish. Take care. Russ | |||
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You cannot go wrong with the Armalite AR-50. It's brake is one of the most affective brakes on the market, big, ugly, and makes the 34 pound AR-50 kick like a light-weight .243. Just plug and muff or the concussion will do serious damage to your hearing. My AR-50 will hold sub 3" groups at 500 yards with IMI TZZ 2000 M33 ball ammo, and sub 2" groups at 500 yards with my handloads(using A-Max and match prepped cases). I do not have access to a range longer than 500 yards, and a group at 500 is absolutely NO indication of what it-or should I say the shooter-will do at 1000. Way too many variables and many not related to the gun! It may not be a match winner, but is plenty accurate for an out-of-the-box rifle. The trigger will need work as in a new trigger arm (Shilen), new trigger spring (Armalite), or a whole new trigger (take your pick, any Remington 700 trigger will work, or at least I know the Jewell and Timney do). Other than that, the AR-50 is good to go. If the FCSA ever holds a match near to me again, I hope to shoot in it and see how it stacks up at 1000 yards. [ 12-14-2002, 20:40: Message edited by: Big Bore ] | |||
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Thanks guys for the information. Think that I have what I was looking for. | ||
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